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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 06:04 PM
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turbo question .

i just got an evo 9,and i have the following mods, full 3 in ,turbo back (no catts) o2 housing, lower and upper ic piping, injen intake , bov. header, forge mbc 23 lbs . custom tune. the car moves along nicely . but im to the point where i want more powa lol!

i guess the only stepp for more power is a turbo upgrade ? what would u guys recomend for street use ? gt 35 r ? gt 30 ? and what is the price ussuly for the kit plus install , done right ..with arp head studs .... thanks... im shooting for over 400 AWHP.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 06:07 PM
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Turbo Upgrade for Evo IX

Check this out. Should be helpfull.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 06:18 PM
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what about a set of cams, alky, bigger injectors and ic...do you have an upgraded fuel pump? all stuff you're gonna need (-alky) for a bigger turbo anyway
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 06:36 PM
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What are your intentions for the car? Is this just for the street, a D.D., will you be taking it to the strip, auto-xing, or road course? Do you want 400 WHP on pump gas, or race gas, or 92 + Alky? Are you concerned with keeping a stock appearing engine bay? What about drivability issues like increased turbo lag?

You realize that if you go to a 30R/50 trim kit, or larger, that you'll need bigger injectors, an intercooler upgrade and a heavy duty clutch as well. I don't think that the 35R is the way to go unless you're gonna run race gas regularly and are willing to go to a standalone engine management system.

There are other alternatives to a full turbo kit, such as the upcoming BR 20G-9-5LT bolt-on turbo that should be capable of getting you into the mid-elevens with the right supporting mods. And then again, you might just try Alky and a FMIC upgrade before going to a bigger turbo.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 07:35 PM
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i was thinking upgrading mine to a 20g-9 or a 50trim! doing more research but i'll keep post on that if i get it and ill give you some numbers.... or you can go search from other ppl...
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 08:20 PM
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I don't think you'll see much gains with the 20G IX vs. the 16G IX until you run high octane gas.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 08:27 PM
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heard if you bolt right on with stock parts its 30-50 whp difference...
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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what about a set of cams, alky, bigger injectors and ic...do you have an upgraded fuel pump? all stuff you're gonna need (-alky) for a bigger turbo anyway
Hes got a 9 so cams arent out yet. Alky doesnt give you more powa it only allows you to run more boost and insoding allows you to get more powa. Bigger injectors will only allow you to run more boost as well. Bigger IC will help limitedly especially on the stock turbo. Walbro is a must especially running 23psi. You dont NEED alky pursay because you can just run race fuel however, alky injection is nice to have.

As far as the aforementioned 35r and 30r, it depends on what you want. The 30r will of course spool much faster than its 35r counterparts. However, the downside is it wont make as much peak hp as the 35r due to its bigger housings and wheels. The downside to the 35r to the 30r is of course the spool up times.

Also what are you using the vehicle for? Thats really the most important issue that needs to be addressed before asking what turbo you should use.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mracing5625
heard if you bolt right on with stock parts its 30-50 whp difference...
Well the myth is around 20wheel. However, its not worth the money IMHO. Cuase the turbo upgrade itself is gonna cost over 2grand with install costs.

Now it has gotten people over 400wheel but you will need to do alot of supporting mods and tuning.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by unvyit
i guess the only stepp for more power is a turbo upgrade ? what would u guys recomend for street use ? gt 35 r ? gt 30 ? and what is the price ussuly for the kit plus install , done right ..with arp head studs .... thanks... im shooting for over 400 AWHP.
You want 400+ WHP for a street driver.....on straight pump, you might get what you want with a 3076/3037 kit and a set of nice, expensive high lift cams. There are countless dynographs on this site. With a 3071 or a 50 trim you would probably be stretching a bit on pure pump w/o alky. The 35R is just not your ideal pump gas turbo on a 2 litre, and it has is a lot of lag for the street.

If you're willing to run an Alky kit, then any of the above turbos will get you over 400WHP with the right supporting mods and a good tune. There is considerable expense with any of the topnotch kits such as Buschur, AMS, Shearer and Vishnu. And I guess you get what you pay for.

The BR 20G-9-5 LT with an Alky kit will probably get you within spitting distance of the more expensive kits for a fraction of the cost and as a bonus...with Alky and a proper map you can probably get away with keeping the stock injectors too.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky
You want 400+ WHP for a street driver.....on straight pump, you might get what you want with a 3076/3037 kit and a set of nice, expensive high lift cams. There are countless dynographs on this site. With a 3071 or a 50 trim you would probably be stretching a bit on pure pump w/o alky. The 35R is just not your ideal pump gas turbo on a 2 litre, and it has is a lot of lag for the street.

If you're willing to run an Alky kit, then any of the above turbos will get you over 400WHP with the right supporting mods and a good tune. There is considerable expense with any of the topnotch kits such as Buschur, AMS, Shearer and Vishnu. And I guess you get what you pay for.

The BR 20G-9-5 LT with an Alky kit will probably get you within spitting distance of the more expensive kits for a fraction of the cost and as a bonus...with Alky and a proper map you can probably get away with keeping the stock injectors too.
Again hes got a evo 9 so cams arent an option yet. Of course there is TT with the 280 but I really cant say that I trust it just yet. Not to mention its a regrind.
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Old Oct 1, 2006 | 08:48 PM
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Again hes got a evo 9 so cams arent an option yet. Of course there is TT with the 280 but I really cant say that I trust it just yet. Not to mention its a regrind.
True, true...
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Old Oct 2, 2006 | 01:48 AM
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Wait GSC Cams to came out and see how the result
Alky
20G-9-LT or GT3076R/50 Trim
Retune
Walbro
780cc inj.

You should have ~510whp with GT3076R/50 Trim on pump gas + Alky.If you don't want to run alky,50 Trim is the way to go.~440whp@25psi.Stock EVO 9 engine with 93 can run 25psi due to revised head cooling passage,smarter ECU and better knock sensor.
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Old Oct 2, 2006 | 10:56 AM
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hey fellas thanks for the replies . the car is my daily driver , and use it for street only . no track or autocrossing ...

i have an ugraded fuel pump allready , and injectors on hand not installed yet ....

i would not mind going with laky injection with whateevr kit i decide to go on , cuase right now i think it would not do much ...

i really dont wanna run race gas every time , to much of a pain therefor , i want it to be on pump..

now for turbos, lag doesnt bug me THAT much as long its nothing crazy , lol like the black ams evo ....i have been hearing alot lately on the BR 20 g , some say its worth it some say it is not for the money ....i was thinking that the gt 30 r would be my best bet .....but then again lol.....

cams as stated above arent readily available yet , so there out of the picture for now .

would an IC upgrade do anything for me right now with current mods ? i was told that it wouldnt help much right now .wouldnt be really worth it unless i turbo swap...

this f*cking car is addictive lol.
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Old Oct 2, 2006 | 11:14 AM
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Hes got a 9 so cams arent out yet. Alky doesnt give you more powa it only allows you to run more boost and insoding allows you to get more powa. Bigger injectors will only allow you to run more boost as well. Bigger IC will help limitedly especially on the stock turbo. Walbro is a must especially running 23psi. You dont NEED alky pursay because you can just run race fuel however, alky injection is nice to have.

As far as the aforementioned 35r and 30r, it depends on what you want. The 30r will of course spool much faster than its 35r counterparts. However, the downside is it wont make as much peak hp as the 35r due to its bigger housings and wheels. The downside to the 35r to the 30r is of course the spool up times.

Also what are you using the vehicle for? Thats really the most important issue that needs to be addressed before asking what turbo you should use.
im sorry, i didnt even pay attention that it was a 9 so get the cams when they are available

i know the alky in itself doesnt give anymore "powa" and i know you dont NEED it which is why i put (- alky).......but with alky and injectors (and of course tune) he can run quite a bit more boost therefore making more power. obviously i have a smaller turbo and am not familiar with the 9 but as far as i know its a bit more effecient up top, yes?
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