http://www.vividracing.com/catalog/a...7-p-54362.html

car is currently on cobb stage 2 map with just a intake/tbe..... should i get the stage 2 mapped retuned for this part??

 

I wouldn't bother. The LICP may give you a consistent 3-4HP...maybe.

 

Better question would be why are you using Cobb?

 

^^ cause the stupid little calculator looking thing is mad tyzzzzz yoooo diggg.

 

You will be fine without a tune. LICP is great. Car spools so much quicker and the throttle response is great.

 

because i like the features (anti theft, valet mode)... why not.... i dont plan on building internals, changing turbo, so cobb is perfect for me.

thanks for your on topic responce

 

FWIW, the stock ECU can do the same and offer even more options.

[lol] Hey, I replied on topic, too. You just didn't seem to like the answer. Why not do yourself a favor, fire-up Search and look for applicable dynographs and tuning suggestions? Perhaps start with the Buschur thread where they finally saw an (aftermarket) LICP have a consistant effect. Really, you won't find anything new by asking the same question, but if you do some legwork, you may actually arrive at a point where things begin to make sense. Good luck.

 

I will have to agree with this guy and everyone else about staying away from COBB.

But I will disagree with you on the LICP comment for Evo IX. It is a great upgrade that does make around 10+hp for under $200. The UICP is another story.

 

The question is, moving how much air?

 

Going from a 1.5 diameter pipe to a 2.5 diameter pipe will move more air right? Not sure how much more but defiantly more. Regardless of the hp, I think for the throttle response alone is worth it.

 

<grin> The pipes still have the same in/out. It's just that the point of restriction is moved.

 

I wanted to chime in here:
As far as the LICP goes, you may not want to consider it a "power mod" as much as perhaps eliminating of a few bends in the IC system. Less bends *could* mean faster spool. It felt like it spooled more quickly to me and I did not get the car retuned. Question: With less bends in the intercooler system, could the air be moving more quickly, which in turn would allow a cooler charge, so less knock? Is that flawed thinking? Help me out.

As far as the AccessPORT and other Cobb parts go:
A year or so ago, I picked up my AP used from another forum member here for a reasonable price, and was really pleased at the gains over stock with their "stage 1" OTS map. I recently installed a new exhaust system, and ran their OTS stage 2 map. My thinking was since I live in Salt Lake City, and they tested/tuned their evo IX in SLC, their OTS maps (and results) were pretty close to what I should expect. Since they've moved their HQ to Texas and have discontinued making any new parts for the IX, all their other stuff was half price and I couldn't say no. In my case, through some careful shopping and the right timing, I was able to get the AP (2 diff OTS maps used), dp, tp, and the invidia n1 CBE setup all for under 1K. With no tuning know-how to speak of, I was able to run two different maps on my car over the span of a year and was happy with the results in both cases. I'd also like to add that the quality of all of their parts is top notch. Cobb parts at ebay prices was a no-brainer to me.

I do not make the claim that I took the cheapest, most sensible way to this point. I will say that even to this day I'm not comfortable enough with my ability to tune the vehicle with its mods very well. Two etunes from a trusted tuner would have cost me more than the AP did. When I am ready to start tuning myself (and I'm getting there), the accesstuner street will allow me to do just that also.

Kudos to anyone and everyone who takes the steps to tune their own vehicle. I find it pretty intimidating. The more I read, the more I realize I have to learn. I hope we can all appreciate how not everyone wants to take those risks, no matter how trivial they may seem to some. I also hope this sheds some light on why the AP was the right decision for me at the time.

 

I ran an AP stg 2 for almost a year and was happy with it. However, I constantly added parts like LICP and UICP and just wanted a lot more. Do not get the AP mapped for just the LICP, wait until you get more at least. However, I did ditch the AP and got a custom tune from STM today and it is like driving a whole new car, the AP maps simply cannot compare to a custom tune.

 

Also, what LICP did you get? Different companies were able to produce different power gains from their designs of the LICP.

 

I don't agree. I would say that custom tunes are superior to OTS maps though. In that respect, many tuners can offer you the same map you're running now with your AP. They just would have needed to use the accesstuner race software to do it. This is why many people are suggesting the AP was never needed to begin with. As I said earlier, they aren't wrong. It all depends on what you want to do. For those of us with AP's already, it's all about making the most of it at this point: we just took the most expensive way to get to the same place...