Out of Curiousity
The transfer case's notorious problem of having the death whine, the ACD pump failures, the tranny's dying relatively fast.
I mean sure, if its well kept and not beaten to death everyday its going to last longer but its not a secret to anyone that Evo's are known to have drivetrain problems.
I mean sure, if its well kept and not beaten to death everyday its going to last longer but its not a secret to anyone that Evo's are known to have drivetrain problems.
Wait, cars that are maintained and aren't beaten to death will last longer, but Evos are known to have drivetrain problems? Known to whom? Certainly not to the folks who own and drive these cars. You've made similar claims before, all the while never having owned an Evolution. Please stop furthering this nonsense.
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owned subie before and now the x. subie has better build quality, interior and exterior. but many internal engine issues if you mod the car and i heard broken engine for 08-09. people always complain about 5 speed tranny and paint job on the evos, and mitsu always has many leakage problems too. but if you know and maintain your car well, shouldnt be a big problem for both cars. mod and drive it properly. i think the reason most people get sti because its a better daily car. evo is more a good track/drag car.
For what it's worth there are actually many flaws with out of the box EVO transmissions. I know this very well because I rebuild them, a good deal of them. The EVO transmission can handle good amounts of power but not for a long duration unless you baby it, and well who really does that. If you do, why did you buy an evolution?
The syncro hubs (sliders as an improper but generic term that most people use) do not handle much abuse at all, once they start to wear or a miss shift they start to break down and also ruin the mating speed gear. The shift rails are also known to bend if you really bang gears, and I don't care what anyone says the input shaft bearings on these are freaking garbage, they have a recall on them, and EVERY single tranny I have worked on has had bad input shaft bearings. Even with at little as 20k miles! My input shaft bearings are starting to go on my 06 with 23k. They can still function with bad bearings but you will notice a whine mostly in 1st gear on slow rolling, and sometimes you wont notice anything but your input shaft will flop around causing wear to the shaft and 5th gear, clutch vibration, TOB chatter, all sorts of low key destruction.
They are not all bad though, they have insanely strong center diffs, handle gobs of power. They are also very easy to work on and very cheap to rebuild if you do it yourself. They just don't last long when used for anything besides DD. Also for what it's worth I constantly preach about the use of proper fluids and fluid changes. 10k is the max I go before for a full drivetrain flush.
As for the TC, they are very good besides a few out of box issues. The factory specs for preload on the TC bearings is to loose, and almost no support on the pass side TC cover, to keep the ring an pinion in proper alignment with the tiny M8 bolts that take all of the load when launching the car and flex. M10 bolt upgrade and dowel pin and a reshimming are a MUST if you plan to launch the car often.
I've also done some work on Subie trans, they are EXTREMELY expensive to rebuild.
In the end I still prefer my EVO over the STi, for track purposes, if I had to drive one daily, it would be the STi. Since I don't it's EVO love
The syncro hubs (sliders as an improper but generic term that most people use) do not handle much abuse at all, once they start to wear or a miss shift they start to break down and also ruin the mating speed gear. The shift rails are also known to bend if you really bang gears, and I don't care what anyone says the input shaft bearings on these are freaking garbage, they have a recall on them, and EVERY single tranny I have worked on has had bad input shaft bearings. Even with at little as 20k miles! My input shaft bearings are starting to go on my 06 with 23k. They can still function with bad bearings but you will notice a whine mostly in 1st gear on slow rolling, and sometimes you wont notice anything but your input shaft will flop around causing wear to the shaft and 5th gear, clutch vibration, TOB chatter, all sorts of low key destruction.
They are not all bad though, they have insanely strong center diffs, handle gobs of power. They are also very easy to work on and very cheap to rebuild if you do it yourself. They just don't last long when used for anything besides DD. Also for what it's worth I constantly preach about the use of proper fluids and fluid changes. 10k is the max I go before for a full drivetrain flush.
As for the TC, they are very good besides a few out of box issues. The factory specs for preload on the TC bearings is to loose, and almost no support on the pass side TC cover, to keep the ring an pinion in proper alignment with the tiny M8 bolts that take all of the load when launching the car and flex. M10 bolt upgrade and dowel pin and a reshimming are a MUST if you plan to launch the car often.
I've also done some work on Subie trans, they are EXTREMELY expensive to rebuild.
In the end I still prefer my EVO over the STi, for track purposes, if I had to drive one daily, it would be the STi. Since I don't it's EVO love
Last edited by Nasty Evolution; Nov 29, 2010 at 11:23 AM.
For what it's worth there are actually many flaws with out of the box EVO transmissions. I know this very well because I rebuild them, a good deal of them. The EVO transmission can handle good amounts of power but not for a long duration unless you baby it, and well who really does that.
Those of us who don't drag race and shift without trying to break the sound barrier. Would that be defined as babying it?
Last edited by FJF; Nov 29, 2010 at 11:30 AM.
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For what it's worth there are actually many flaws with out of the box EVO transmissions. I know this very well because I rebuild them, a good deal of them. The EVO transmission can handle good amounts of power but not for a long duration unless you baby it, and well who really does that. If you do, why did you buy an evolution?
The syncro hubs (sliders as an improper but generic term that most people use) do not handle much abuse at all, once they start to wear or a miss shift they start to break down and also ruin the mating speed gear. The shift rails are also known to bend if you really bang gears, and I don't care what anyone says the input shaft bearings on these are freaking garbage, they have a recall on them, and EVERY single tranny I have worked on has had bad input shaft bearings. Even with at little as 20k miles! My input shaft bearings are starting to go on my 06 with 23k. They can still function with bad bearings but you will notice a whine mostly in 1st gear on slow rolling, and sometimes you wont notice anything but your input shaft will flop around causing wear to the shaft and 5th gear, clutch vibration, TOB chatter, all sorts of low key destruction.
They are not all bad though, they have insanely strong center diffs, handle gobs of power. They are also very easy to work on and very cheap to rebuild if you do it yourself. They just don't last long when used for anything besides DD. Also for what it's worth I constantly preach about the use of proper fluids and fluid changes. 10k is the max I go before for a full drivetrain flush.
As for the TC, they are very good besides a few out of box issues. The factory specs for preload on the TC bearings is to loose, and almost no support on the pass side TC cover, to keep the ring an pinion in proper alignment with the tiny M8 bolts that take all of the load when launching the car and flex. M10 bolt upgrade and dowel pin and a reshimming are a MUST if you plan to launch the car often.
I've also done some work on Subie trans, they are EXTREMELY expensive to rebuild.
In the end I still prefer my EVO over the STi, for track purposes, if I had to drive one daily, it would be the STi. Since I don't it's EVO love
The syncro hubs (sliders as an improper but generic term that most people use) do not handle much abuse at all, once they start to wear or a miss shift they start to break down and also ruin the mating speed gear. The shift rails are also known to bend if you really bang gears, and I don't care what anyone says the input shaft bearings on these are freaking garbage, they have a recall on them, and EVERY single tranny I have worked on has had bad input shaft bearings. Even with at little as 20k miles! My input shaft bearings are starting to go on my 06 with 23k. They can still function with bad bearings but you will notice a whine mostly in 1st gear on slow rolling, and sometimes you wont notice anything but your input shaft will flop around causing wear to the shaft and 5th gear, clutch vibration, TOB chatter, all sorts of low key destruction.
They are not all bad though, they have insanely strong center diffs, handle gobs of power. They are also very easy to work on and very cheap to rebuild if you do it yourself. They just don't last long when used for anything besides DD. Also for what it's worth I constantly preach about the use of proper fluids and fluid changes. 10k is the max I go before for a full drivetrain flush.
As for the TC, they are very good besides a few out of box issues. The factory specs for preload on the TC bearings is to loose, and almost no support on the pass side TC cover, to keep the ring an pinion in proper alignment with the tiny M8 bolts that take all of the load when launching the car and flex. M10 bolt upgrade and dowel pin and a reshimming are a MUST if you plan to launch the car often.
I've also done some work on Subie trans, they are EXTREMELY expensive to rebuild.
In the end I still prefer my EVO over the STi, for track purposes, if I had to drive one daily, it would be the STi. Since I don't it's EVO love
Up in Canada EVO's are worth A LOT more than STI's of the same year, so I really don't know where Jerm is getting his info. This is due to the fact they have only been legal here for the past 2 years and not many people are importing them over due to the costs and the fact there aren't many left stock or in decent shape.
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Its interesting to read all these posts from Evo owners. I was viewing some threads on Nasoic and aside from a few biased opinions, majority of the Subie owners gave much respect to the Evo for its performance and such. But, it seems like across the board majority of the Japenese import world agree that Subaru's have better build quality. After all that being said Evo's still run the streets. 
For what it's worth there are actually many flaws with out of the box EVO transmissions. I know this very well because I rebuild them, a good deal of them. The EVO transmission can handle good amounts of power but not for a long duration unless you baby it, and well who really does that. If you do, why did you buy an evolution?
The syncro hubs (sliders as an improper but generic term that most people use) do not handle much abuse at all, once they start to wear or a miss shift they start to break down and also ruin the mating speed gear. The shift rails are also known to bend if you really bang gears, and I don't care what anyone says the input shaft bearings on these are freaking garbage, they have a recall on them, and EVERY single tranny I have worked on has had bad input shaft bearings. Even with at little as 20k miles! My input shaft bearings are starting to go on my 06 with 23k. They can still function with bad bearings but you will notice a whine mostly in 1st gear on slow rolling, and sometimes you wont notice anything but your input shaft will flop around causing wear to the shaft and 5th gear, clutch vibration, TOB chatter, all sorts of low key destruction.
They are not all bad though, they have insanely strong center diffs, handle gobs of power. They are also very easy to work on and very cheap to rebuild if you do it yourself. They just don't last long when used for anything besides DD. Also for what it's worth I constantly preach about the use of proper fluids and fluid changes. 10k is the max I go before for a full drivetrain flush.
As for the TC, they are very good besides a few out of box issues. The factory specs for preload on the TC bearings is to loose, and almost no support on the pass side TC cover, to keep the ring an pinion in proper alignment with the tiny M8 bolts that take all of the load when launching the car and flex. M10 bolt upgrade and dowel pin and a reshimming are a MUST if you plan to launch the car often.
I've also done some work on Subie trans, they are EXTREMELY expensive to rebuild.
In the end I still prefer my EVO over the STi, for track purposes, if I had to drive one daily, it would be the STi. Since I don't it's EVO love
The syncro hubs (sliders as an improper but generic term that most people use) do not handle much abuse at all, once they start to wear or a miss shift they start to break down and also ruin the mating speed gear. The shift rails are also known to bend if you really bang gears, and I don't care what anyone says the input shaft bearings on these are freaking garbage, they have a recall on them, and EVERY single tranny I have worked on has had bad input shaft bearings. Even with at little as 20k miles! My input shaft bearings are starting to go on my 06 with 23k. They can still function with bad bearings but you will notice a whine mostly in 1st gear on slow rolling, and sometimes you wont notice anything but your input shaft will flop around causing wear to the shaft and 5th gear, clutch vibration, TOB chatter, all sorts of low key destruction.
They are not all bad though, they have insanely strong center diffs, handle gobs of power. They are also very easy to work on and very cheap to rebuild if you do it yourself. They just don't last long when used for anything besides DD. Also for what it's worth I constantly preach about the use of proper fluids and fluid changes. 10k is the max I go before for a full drivetrain flush.
As for the TC, they are very good besides a few out of box issues. The factory specs for preload on the TC bearings is to loose, and almost no support on the pass side TC cover, to keep the ring an pinion in proper alignment with the tiny M8 bolts that take all of the load when launching the car and flex. M10 bolt upgrade and dowel pin and a reshimming are a MUST if you plan to launch the car often.
I've also done some work on Subie trans, they are EXTREMELY expensive to rebuild.
In the end I still prefer my EVO over the STi, for track purposes, if I had to drive one daily, it would be the STi. Since I don't it's EVO love
