hey guys been searching on here for a few hours now. please excuse any of my ignorance.

i live out here in CO where my town sits at over 6,000ft above sea level.

a stock 02 wrx will make 170whp
a stock 06+ wrx will make 188whp
a stock 2004+ sti will make 208whp

now

a stock evo 8 will make 209whp
a stock evo 9 about the same as 8
and a stock evo10 will make over 220whp

all of these results are provided by a local tuning shop with a dyno dynamics dyno.

my question is this. a lot of guys on this forum seem to make EASILY over 300whp will barely any mods.

is this normal? is our altitude out here that bad? can anyone vouch for this.

Im looking to go with a bigger power plant. my current stage 3 wrx doesnt have the potential for what i want. the reason i ask these questions is because i have always been told to steer away from evos because of their drivetrain.

is it really that easy to make 300wheel with these cars?


thanks so much for your guys time. it means a lot and i am still learning.




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Yah, cuz stock Evo drivetrain has only gone 9's .

There are ample haters. I've had four friends break ring lands on their WRX/STI's at 350whp in the past year (properly tuned, etc). The Evo, in my eyes, is a much better platform for power potential, and reliability. If you're not beating the sh*t out of your car and do regular maintenance, 450whp can last you a LONG time.

I'm not biased because I own an Evo. I bought an Evo because of the number of failed motors/transmissions/turbos etc I've seen fail on a Subaru.

And yes, it really is that easy. Exhaust, Boost Controller, and a tune and you're over 300whp. May take a little more with your altitude.

 

It's really not the drivetrain that breaks its the abuse from people who dont maintain the drivetrain or push an excessive amount of power on the drivetrain thats why they break. Now as for the car its not really a problem to fix it, its the cost and availability in parts and the labor being that the vehicle has a very high reputation in the tuner world.

You pretty much have to pay to play so keep that in mind. On the other hand the best thing to do would be to honestly if you can help it do it yourself and learn from it. Its not really the position to tell yourself to steer away from cars but the way how you go about it when you have the car.

I stopped listening to everyone that talks about certain cars. But ones things for sure is that experience is the best teacher. First you have to do the research on the car then balance out is this the kind of car you want to keep for now or in the long-run if its within your spending range.

 

Thankyou

i had no idea these cars were that well built. i was always told the tranny will destroy gears simply pushing past 250wheel.


the reason why i ask this...
i have spent thousands on upgrades for my 2.0 wrx

fp hta68
dw1000ccs
fuel pump
intake
exhaust
custom intercooler
downpipe

after all that plus a million other mods i make 282 wheel on e85

my overall goal is just to be able to pull on 600cc bikes. that's it always has been my goal.

i know its stupid.



i really do appreciate this info. and ofcourse your right even if i drove my car like **** it would blow up. its a lot to do with the driver. i just had no idea that these cars made so much power.

i am very intimidated honestly



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thanks man i couldnt agree more.

i feel that its all about he driver. launches. excessive shifting and down shifting.

like i told the other guy. the only reason i even bought my wrx over an evo was cost but others claimed they are reliable.

well reliable is a stupid *** word it seen because i have seen these cars hit 250000+ miles.


i think my best bet is to sell my car and finally turn to the dark side


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If your goal is 300 whp, and you think you'll be okay there... I don't see what's wrong with your WRX plus a slightly bigger turbo, like maybe a VF39 with some supporting mods. Not sure about the altitude part, but stage 2ish STi's can definitely pull that off. I mean, you already have the car.

But yeah, it is not hard to do 300 whp in an Evo.

edit: started typing before the 11;33 and 11:36 posts. How much do you trust your tuner?

My WRX (03, ~240 whp around these parts) was massively reliable. ~1000 autox runs, 120k miles and I sold it with the stock trans 100% intact... next owner kept autocrossing it. But it's not as fun as an Evo for autox/track stuff, not even close. For drag racing against bikes on the highway, um, your best bet is to buy a Vette or something.

 

Stock 9 motor and turbo, 255 pump, boost controller, air box delete, full exhaust, ams IC and pipes. 360whp/tq on a Mustang dyno.

 

Fixed .

 

thats just litterally ****ing crazy

 

thats pretty nice numbers, im in the same boat, im up in the mountains in utah. im hoping to break 300

 

I've owned both platforms. The Evo drivetrain isn't as bad as what the Subi guys make it out to be. They just have to have something to point at as a flaw since their motors seem to blow up with only bolts ons. There have been plenty of Evos running 10s and 9s on the stock tranny and transfer case. Its really up to the driver as far as how much abuse the drivetrain takes on. I can also tell you that rebuilding an Evo tranny is cheaper than rebuilding an EJ motor. Even an built EJ motor in most cases can't keep up with a stock 4G63. Dollar for dollar, mod for mod the Subarus can't keep up with the Evos.

You're going to need to dump a ton of money into that WRX to even come close to keeping up with a 600cc crotchrocket. Even a heavily modded Evo can have trouble with those if the rider knows how to ride the bike. You're better off setting a realistic whp goal for you car.

 

WOW. i know 9's respond well to mods and a tune, but WOW. and that's on a "heart breaker" Mustang dyno. I was hoping for about 330 to the wheels with similar mods to yours, but I guess the evo can do much better. Is this on a safe, reliable "DD" tune? I don't wanna push mine just yet. Feels fast as it is.

I've read tons about wrx's and sti's. they're fun and cool cars, but don't respond as well to mods as the evo. the early year wrx's have weak transmissions. the sti's have piston/ring land issues. they say the sti transmission is very strong, but i know a guy who blew it up driving VERY hard.

all 3 cars have their pros and cons, but in the end i went for the evo.

 

Yes I've been daily driving it. 10 WOT, we did a 45 min datalog after the tune and I had ZERO knock count it's very reliable. A set of injectors and I'm likely around or over 400, that's what's holding me back from more. This is 93 octane as well. I have two buddys with built WRX's way more power mods than me and they're nowhere close to keeping up.

 

My first tune ever I had a Buschur SCCA cat-back, hallman mbc, vibrant filter and 255 pump I put down 308whp/tq on the same dyno.

 

ain't that the truth. years ago i met a guy with a wrx who said he had over 300whp. i had a stock 350z and i put a bus length on him from a low speed roll. easily. seemed like a pretty smart guy, but maybe he had his numbers mixed up. or the wrx just cant perform. still a cool car tho and sounded awesome.

anyway, your tune sounds like it's perfect. and 400whp with your mods and injectors would be amazing. did i mention your power and torque curves are really nice. barely any power drop at redline. i wanna do a base run on my stock tune. see how the power drops up top. love the full boost and torque at 3500rpm tho. thats how i will build my car. keep the torque without loosing power up top.