2005 EVO MR or 2005 STI
Originally Posted by Dale_K
Both the hood scoop and rear wing are the same as 04. They do move around on rough roads.
Recently read that the 05 wing is a different material than 04. Don't know if that will make a difference.
Originally Posted by Deac0n
sti = more of a daily driver
MR = race car.
MR = race car.
I think the MR will still handle better than the '05 STi and the should ride better than the current Evo.
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With mitsubishi sales down 45% this year, their business in serious trouble, and evo resale values verging on pathetic, it would take a very foolish person to put their hard earned cash, and pay it down on an evo.
If someone elses money bought one of these cars for me, I'd take the evo, but with my hard earned cash, I deceided that the sti was a safer bet.
Subaru listened to the gripes owners had with their 04 cars, and fixed most of them on the 05.
The new interior is in a diffrerent league to the evo, and subarus reliability, and lack of a self destructing clutch swayed me in their direction.
And the agruement that a modded evo is a better car than the sti does not wash. Why would you want to go vold your warrenty for you and future owners, and kill the resale value of your car, unless you have more money than sense.
For the majority of owners, stock v's stock the sti wins hands down.
If someone elses money bought one of these cars for me, I'd take the evo, but with my hard earned cash, I deceided that the sti was a safer bet.
Subaru listened to the gripes owners had with their 04 cars, and fixed most of them on the 05.
The new interior is in a diffrerent league to the evo, and subarus reliability, and lack of a self destructing clutch swayed me in their direction.
And the agruement that a modded evo is a better car than the sti does not wash. Why would you want to go vold your warrenty for you and future owners, and kill the resale value of your car, unless you have more money than sense.
For the majority of owners, stock v's stock the sti wins hands down.
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^^^uhh..no. the stock MR will own the ctock '05 sti. read the reviews and compare the stats. if warranty and a plush interior are the most important criteria for you, then go for the sti by all means. if you want performance, get the MR.
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Dunno about the MR owning the STI.
Here is the first test I have seen of the 05's and looks like this one goes to the STI.
The USDM has all of the goodies of the JDM, with extra HP
05STI vs Evo MR
Here is the first test I have seen of the 05's and looks like this one goes to the STI.
The USDM has all of the goodies of the JDM, with extra HP
05STI vs Evo MR
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Originally Posted by Boni
uh where do you get the idea that 280 hp vs 300 hp will win in the 1/4 mile. rofl. your on mitsu's *****, get off of them and smell the coffee. facts are facts. the MR will out perform the sti, the handling is obviously better, but, 1/4 the sti will still rape the evo stock vs stock. that is the fact. understand ? 
Repent you pistle - The lighter weight MR with a bigger turbo / nozzle will probably spank your STi - even before I mod it 
[/QUOTE]And the agruement that a modded evo is a better car than the sti does not wash. Why would you want to go vold your warrenty for you and future owners, and kill the resale value of your car, unless you have more money than sense.
For the majority of owners, stock v's stock the sti wins hands down.[QUOTE]
This line of reasoning would apply to almost any car, including the STI. Yes stock for stock the STI is probably the better bet. But years down the road parts for the the 4G63 will still be readily available. Don't know if we could say the same for the STI's 2.5 engine, regardless of the possible interchangeability of parts between the 2.0 and 2.5 engines
For the majority of owners, stock v's stock the sti wins hands down.[QUOTE]
This line of reasoning would apply to almost any car, including the STI. Yes stock for stock the STI is probably the better bet. But years down the road parts for the the 4G63 will still be readily available. Don't know if we could say the same for the STI's 2.5 engine, regardless of the possible interchangeability of parts between the 2.0 and 2.5 engines
Originally Posted by cannyboy
Dunno about the MR owning the STI.
Here is the first test I have seen of the 05's and looks like this one goes to the STI.
The USDM has all of the goodies of the JDM, with extra HP
05STI vs Evo MR
Here is the first test I have seen of the 05's and looks like this one goes to the STI.
The USDM has all of the goodies of the JDM, with extra HP
05STI vs Evo MR
I would say the improvements for the US MR are vastly more significant than the improvements on the US '05 STi. The article does not claim to represent the US market cars.
The STi WR alluded to at the end of the article is absolutely owned by the MR FQ320 in the UK tests. Difference in handling is significant.
I truly like both cars and totally respect the STi. If I bought one I’m sure that I would be happy with it.
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Originally Posted by Cash Money
the evo is a fast track car that's liveable for the street...
the suby is a fast street car that's liveable for the track...
i dunno if it makes sense to anyone else, but that's how i describe it to ppl... some get it, some don't... do you want a car that's designed for a closed track, that's built for twisty-back-country-hill roads but isn't the most forgiving for regular commuting, but tolerable if you can live with the twitchyiness of the steering and suspension with the compression of a slab of granite and don't need cruise control??? Go Evo... do you want a car that's more streetable (not as nervous), a lil' more forgiving on the body with everyday commuting, and can hold it's own on the closed tracks but could use a lil' quicker steering and a lil' less understeer??? go STi...
but even though each car edges out the other in those before mentioned catagories, both cars are within an arms reach of each other really, and can lay the smackdown on cars 3x's their value, and incredibly fun... it's gonna come down to whatever you deem makes you happier , which you like the looks and feel, and more comfortable behind the wheel with...
the suby is a fast street car that's liveable for the track...
i dunno if it makes sense to anyone else, but that's how i describe it to ppl... some get it, some don't... do you want a car that's designed for a closed track, that's built for twisty-back-country-hill roads but isn't the most forgiving for regular commuting, but tolerable if you can live with the twitchyiness of the steering and suspension with the compression of a slab of granite and don't need cruise control??? Go Evo... do you want a car that's more streetable (not as nervous), a lil' more forgiving on the body with everyday commuting, and can hold it's own on the closed tracks but could use a lil' quicker steering and a lil' less understeer??? go STi...
but even though each car edges out the other in those before mentioned catagories, both cars are within an arms reach of each other really, and can lay the smackdown on cars 3x's their value, and incredibly fun... it's gonna come down to whatever you deem makes you happier , which you like the looks and feel, and more comfortable behind the wheel with...
Agreed - and might I add very well said.
The STi might appeal to someone with a gentler approach to everyday driving who more a commuter with occasional hot foot tendancies.
The Evo shows a more no compromise heritage with harder suspension etc. that is sure to be a hit with harder drivers.
The MR - according to UK reviews changes this mix somewhat with a softer suspension that actually handles better! Together with the 6 spd highway friendly gear will make the MR everything the STi would like to be
So I say get the STi and leave the MR for us hard core fans.
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Originally Posted by Az3ar
I dont want to argue with you. However, 350Z has an engine that was made for an SUV you did not know that ??? I am sure you did not. I dont have my S2000 anymore but the S2000 is 50/50 ratio I have no idea why it's loosing it's rear end like your friend said maybe he does not know how to drive and that's how you did beat him with you SUV engine
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Originally Posted by MisterSpoot
After having put an '01 S2000 around Watkins Glen more times than I should've been allowed, I will say this:
The '04 has wider tires, and changes to the anti-roll bars as well as some alignment adjustments. The car has less of a tendency to come around, and is more compliant when pushing it pretty hard. Though if you do completely unsettle it, then yes, you will probably end up in a big 'ol pit of pea gravel.
The S2000 is a phenomenal car. Though attempting to run it at more than 7/10th's of its ability on public roads is simply asking for an eventual close encounter with the wooden kind.
The S2000 has snap oversteer at the point of dissapearing talent.
If you keep alert, and don't push the car beyond it's limits the car is absolutely phenomenal. If you don't, then it will bite you in the worst way possible. There were one or two instances when I knew I had pushed my luck a bit too much and harriedly sawed the wheel to keep the rear from completely stepping out. The S2000 has no electronic mechanisms to save your hide, and it's completely unapologetic in this regard.The '04 has wider tires, and changes to the anti-roll bars as well as some alignment adjustments. The car has less of a tendency to come around, and is more compliant when pushing it pretty hard. Though if you do completely unsettle it, then yes, you will probably end up in a big 'ol pit of pea gravel.
The S2000 is a phenomenal car. Though attempting to run it at more than 7/10th's of its ability on public roads is simply asking for an eventual close encounter with the wooden kind.
the s2000 rocks on the autocross track as well - because they turn so quickly. But as implied, it can get nasty loose on the road if you don't know it's limits and how to pull it back in line.
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To me the us mitsu evo is not a direct competitor to the subarau wrx sti. the evo is more like an upgraded level car which would compete (if there were others available) between the subarau wrx and sti. The mitsubishi evo mr is more like a direct competitor to the wrx sti. Remember one major thing about these two fine automobiles, they are both rally driven and inspired. The largest engine allowed is a 2.0 liter. The Mitsubishi has a 2.0 L (following the rules) while the Subarau has a 2.5 L (thereby not following rally rules). if mitsubishi added 1/2 a liter to its already proven engine with the same engineering, the outcome and the bar of these two extremely gifted cars would raise significantly. The Mitsubishi evo would win every time in all categories.
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Originally Posted by 00R101
This is something that cracks me up. I see it all over the place. You quote only one of 3 important numbers in determining how fast the steering is - turns lock 2 lock. The other important number is turning circle and wheelbase. When you know all three then and only then can you know whether a car has quick steering. The Evos turns lock 2 lock is a very low 2 BUT its turning circle is much wider than the STis. So the Evo's effective steering is not quite as fast as the difference between just the two's turns lock to lock implies. The Evo still has faster steering just not as fast as one might think.
IF YOU drive both cars the evo"s steering is noticably sharper 
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Originally Posted by djdaizzy
New steering wheel - doesn't have the middle plastic fake-metallic cover anymore
New rear aluminum suspension pieces
New sensor in DCCD (yaw-sensor)
New helical LSD upfront (replaces Suretrac LSD)
New skidplate
New 17x8 rims with STi logo etched into side (supposedly the rear stance is .5" wide now too/front stance hasn't changed) The tires are still 225/45 though.
New steering rack
New power steering oil cooler
New fender flares (very tightly integrated into the body - they aren't just "taped on")
New front hubs - 04 pinks will not fit 05 STi.
New shifter
New visor fabric
New fabric on door arm rests
Parking brake relocated closer to driver
New cupholder position beside parking brake now
New cupholders in rear (deployed from back of middle arm rest)
New centre console with full auto climate control
New heated passenger seat (Canadian model only)
New anti-theft standard - key immobilizer system
New standard 6-CD changer/6-speaker stereo system
New paint colours: Obsidian Black (replaces Java Black Pearl) & Crystal Grey
BTW, worst thread EVER!
New rear aluminum suspension pieces
New sensor in DCCD (yaw-sensor)
New helical LSD upfront (replaces Suretrac LSD)
New skidplate
New 17x8 rims with STi logo etched into side (supposedly the rear stance is .5" wide now too/front stance hasn't changed) The tires are still 225/45 though.
New steering rack
New power steering oil cooler
New fender flares (very tightly integrated into the body - they aren't just "taped on")
New front hubs - 04 pinks will not fit 05 STi.
New shifter
New visor fabric
New fabric on door arm rests
Parking brake relocated closer to driver
New cupholder position beside parking brake now
New cupholders in rear (deployed from back of middle arm rest)
New centre console with full auto climate control
New heated passenger seat (Canadian model only)
New anti-theft standard - key immobilizer system
New standard 6-CD changer/6-speaker stereo system
New paint colours: Obsidian Black (replaces Java Black Pearl) & Crystal Grey
BTW, worst thread EVER!
nice job.PS: I've seen worst threads
