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the same
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AWD can drift but it's nowhere near RWD's drift potential
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 03:16 AM
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AWD drifting?

ok, my question is, how ideal do you guys feel is the AWD platform for drifting, compared to RWD?

vote, discuss, lemme know what you think.

i think comparatively RWD hands down is better, but i'd like to know reasons why awd may be better.
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 04:19 AM
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RWD is way better for drifting simply because its easier to break traction and spin the back end out. With AWD you have the front wheels still pulling you which makes the rear wheels not break loose nearly as easy and to top it off with the Traction control systems that the EVO has it makes it that much harder cause once you do start to break loose it adjusts more power to the front wheels (which still have traction) so any drift you might have had just got cut short. The only way to drift in the EVO is break loose all 4 wheels quick and fast around a hard corner but even then its not going to be anything like what you could do in a Vette or SVT cobra (or other mussle cars).
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 04:57 AM
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It depends what you're trying to accomplish. If you're getting loose with the car and playing around, drifting is great, but if you want to win a tarmac race, drifting will cost you valuable time. For the sex appeal, rwd drifting would probably be more exciting and pleasing to the eye. You can very easily throw the *** end out on and evo though, it almost handles more like a rear wheel than an allwheel depending on the terrain.
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 08:27 AM
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I can tell you from experience, I can break the tires loose easily and get into a drift, but the car is just not designed to be able to do that on a regular basis, it just doesn't have the right weight bias and with a 50/50 torque split, its not quite as easy to get the rear wheels spinning while retaining steering control to the front.. Trust me, the car just wants to come around or push out to the side if you break traction..

Best cars for drifting are rear drive.. simply because you can retain steering control with the front wheels, and many RWD cars have a front weight bias...
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 08:46 AM
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it is easier to control than rwd. but rwd is the way to go for a drift car.

PS "muscle" cars suck
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ducaticorse
It depends what you're trying to accomplish. If you're getting loose with the car and playing around, drifting is great, but if you want to win a tarmac race, drifting will cost you valuable time. For the sex appeal, rwd drifting would probably be more exciting and pleasing to the eye. You can very easily throw the *** end out on and evo though, it almost handles more like a rear wheel than an allwheel depending on the terrain.

yeah, i meant drifting on tarmac. i agree completely though, drifting is a waste of effort when it comes to racing.
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 08:03 PM
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In my opinion drifting is not really a race like some people think. You are judged on how you perform a drift. It is more show than anything else. If it was a race, why drift? Drifting is breaking loose your rear tires and controlling the way your car slide sideways.
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 08:10 PM
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Cool

Originally Posted by hueman
yeah, i meant drifting on tarmac. i agree completely though, drifting is a waste of effort when it comes to racing.
It's more than just a waste of effort, it'll slow you down on the acceleration out of the corner, which anyone will tell you, is something you obviously dont want in a race. And the only time that drifting normally does occur in racing, is when you dont want to happen, for instence when your tires cant keep grip on the roads surface while your going through an S-Curve and the like.

I think thier both the same, it can be done in either platform, but it takes more skill to be done well in an AWD layout. Saying that RWD is better may be overstated, but if you just want a strait up drift, its proboubly the way to go. However, to a more avid drift fan, an AWD drift is more impressive.
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 10:04 PM
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It's more than just a waste of effort, it'll slow you down on the acceleration out of the corner, which anyone will tell you, is something you obviously dont want in a race. And the only time that drifting normally does occur in racing, is when you dont want to happen, for instence when your tires cant keep grip on the roads surface while your going through an S-Curve and the like.

I think thier both the same, it can be done in either platform, but it takes more skill to be done well in an AWD layout. Saying that RWD is better may be overstated, but if you just want a strait up drift, its proboubly the way to go. However, to a more avid drift fan, an AWD drift is more impressive.
i think we're all in agreement that drifting is a poor technique or occurence during an actual race; im referring to drifting as a seperate "sport"--i.e. d1gp, formula d, etc--or entertainment. if these sports showcase virtually no awd vehicles, how can one argue that the awd platform is a better platform than the rwd one to drift in? if they're basically the same, then wouldn't modifications to an awd platform and thus an entry into said events garner a wider population of awd drifting?

awd drifting happens, and a lot of it is cool looking. but the weight and the active grip from the front wheels makes it a harder platform than a rwd to drift through say S curve.

how often do you see awd drifting that you consider it the same? i have tried many times in my car, and i've tried in my friend's wrx, and while i can DO it, it's done nowhere near as easily as in a rwd 240sx which i've used.
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Old Jul 17, 2004 | 10:48 PM
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I think AWD Drifting is popular, just to a smaller crowd. Its undoubtedly harder to do than RWD Drifting, and its by no means a "Better Platform".

I totally agree that drifting through an S-Curve would be a ***** with an AWD Vehicle, and it wouldn't be nearly as good looking as a RWD would've.

I think saying that they were the same was a bad choice of words on my part, I was just putting what I chose on the poll. AWD Drifting is harder than RWD, but in the end, its gonna come down to the driver, if he can drift well in either platform, then I guess thier both the same to him

Perphaps more practice drifting in your car will help you to drift with it easier?

All and all, I like Nasioc's answers more

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597497

Last edited by SubieKid; Jul 19, 2004 at 05:56 PM. Reason: Add Link
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 04:33 AM
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sorry, but i'm not going to waste track time trying to drift at high speeds, and i'm not going to get the speeds i need in small parking lots. i can do it on certain corners and intersections, but where else can i practice?
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 08:11 AM
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AWD is not allowed in most professional drift events. I know Rhys Millen was banned in his evo 7 and had to drive his supra in the 2nd event.
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Old Jul 18, 2004 | 11:49 AM
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i bought a 240sx just for drifting. the evo is more on grip. it is alot easier to drift with a rwd coz of their oversteering capabilities.
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 06:13 AM
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240SX that would be an awesome car for drifting its terribly inballanced RWD and has decent amount of power with a few mods. Great car for sliding around in probly not too good for racing.
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Old Jul 22, 2004 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Greyman09
AWD is not allowed in most professional drift events. I know Rhys Millen was banned in his evo 7 and had to drive his supra in the 2nd event.
Rhys Millen, when will ever learn?


Isn't he now drifting in the factory backed Pontiac GTO?
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