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Minor Criticisms of the new EVO

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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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Unhappy Minor Criticisms of the new EVO

Just went to the NAIAS and saw the car in person.
Looks sweet.

I like almost everything about the car except:

1. Old school window wiper blades: Most new cars these days use the flat wiper blade design.

2. Old school radio antenna: On the regular lancer and the EVO, they had a rear roof mounter radio antenna. New cars these days use a hidden radio antenna for a cleaner look.

3. Lack of direct injection: I spoke with the Mitsubishi rep, and he said that it's most likely NOT going to be direct injected!!! Gasoline direct injection with turbo charging is the way to go! Look at the Audi A3 with won a Wards auto 2007 engine of the year award! Even GM is getting into the game by put the GDI on it's new Ecotec engines for the Solstice GXP...

I know that there the car is still a year away from being saleable, but, I hope that Mitsubishi will not cut corners and incorporate all the things above! Well, I'll probably still buy the car if they don't, but, if it's going to be a new car, it better come with all the latest stuff!
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:12 AM
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i think you forgot the BIG criticisms...

engine/turbo placement

new tranny (and the inclusion of an automatic)

aluminum engine


etc. etc.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:17 AM
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How about the ugly *** Audi style front!, But I do agree with your compaints!
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:23 AM
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I'm partial to small displacement engines with high specific outputs.
I'm glad they didn't decide to upsize the engine.

There is not a slushbox. It's an automated manual. F1 cars use this kind of transmission. I'm all for this tech.

The aluminum block will make the engine lighter, all, it remains to be see how robust the block will be for higher outputs. If I were to get this car, I wouldn't be boosting it too much, so it's not really a concern for me.

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i think you forgot the BIG criticisms...

engine/turbo placement

new tranny (and the inclusion of an automatic)

aluminum engine

etc. etc.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:24 AM
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Did you see the car in person?
I think it looks much better than current EVO front end.

The new body shape uses contemporary styling cues, and make the car look more high end.

IMO though I like the new look!

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How about the ugly *** Audi style front!, But I do agree with your compaints!
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:25 AM
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Don't care about the wiper blades (can be replaced) or the antenna. Direct injection is a pain to tune from what I've read. I'd be more concerned about the engine orientation, that's going to be a pain to work on. Aluminum block is good, and if you don't like the dual-clutch auto, then get the manual.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:27 AM
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sounds like a nice car with shltty stuff.. JUST LIKE ALL THE EVOS LOL
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:28 AM
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Complaints about the wiper blades and antennae? Has it really come down to this now? Lest you forget that the car shown at the NAIAS is not the final production model. It's still a concept.
As for turbo placement... doesn't give a damn about aftermarket so why should they care how difficult their design makes for aftermarket enhancements?

It's called an Evolution for a reason...it evolves. If it kept the same engine and trans it wouldn't really evolve much now would it? Evolution sometimes takes leaps and bounds...I think it's about time for a new platform...but thats just MHO.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:28 AM
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Direct injection all the way. This way you can boost the hell out of the engine!
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:29 AM
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the wipers that most new cars are using are the Michelin Optimum™ Wiper Blades. i have them on all my cars including the simi truck love them they are amazing
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:34 AM
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Yes, DI is more difficult to tune because the timing of when the fuel is injected and how many discrete injection events per cyclinder are important.

I think this would be a challenge for tuners, but the benefits:

1. Intake charge cooling from the evaporation of the fuel
2. Higher allowable boost
3. Reduced pumping losses
4. Better low end torque

I think the benefits of DI out weigh the difficulty of tuning...

Yes wiper blades are replaceable as long as the some company comes out with them. Have you seen any retrofit kits for older cars to have "flat" wiper blades?

Change of orientation is for one reason!
Emissions! Having the exhaust ports on the rear side of the engine enable the catalaysts to be lit faster. As a side benefit, weight distribution of the turbo will be placed closed to the center of the car.

The car is NOT going to be dual clutch. It's going to a computer controlled single clutch transmission.

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Don't care about the wiper blades (can be replaced) or the antenna. Direct injection is a pain to tune from what I've read. I'd be more concerned about the engine orientation, that's going to be a pain to work on. Aluminum block is good, and if you don't like the dual-clutch auto, then get the manual.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:35 AM
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That's the problem!

If they want to truly make the car great, they shouldn't cut corners!

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sounds like a nice car with shltty stuff.. JUST LIKE ALL THE EVOS LOL
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:37 AM
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Haha, well, that's why I titled my post "MINOR" criticisms... I've already stated that I almost everything about the car....

The car is a totally new platform.
I don't think the car is using the old platform with new sheetmetal body work.

Agree, the car is not in production, so we don't know all the details, I'm just point out the things I've observed so far... I hope they fix these things.

Originally Posted by Cirrusly Evolvd
Complaints about the wiper blades and antennae? Has it really come down to this now? Lest you forget that the car shown at the NAIAS is not the final production model. It's still a concept.
As for turbo placement... doesn't give a damn about aftermarket so why should they care how difficult their design makes for aftermarket enhancements?

It's called an Evolution for a reason...it evolves. If it kept the same engine and trans it wouldn't really evolve much now would it? Evolution sometimes takes leaps and bounds...I think it's about time for a new platform...but thats just MHO.

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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:42 AM
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Yes wiper blades are replaceable as long as the some company comes out with them. Have you seen any retrofit kits for older cars to have "flat" wiper blades?
Yes, Michelin, Bosch, and Trico all make flat "frameless" wiper blades. I'm running the Bosch ones on my Ralliart. Ran the Trico ones in the past, they suck, and as mentioned above Michelin is usually the OEM supplier of these.

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The car is NOT going to be dual clutch. It's going to a computer controlled single clutch transmission.
That's disappointing.
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Old Jan 21, 2007 | 11:46 AM
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Cool... thanks for the link. I think I'll a get a set for my current car.
The OEM blades died afer 20K miles.

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the wipers that most new cars are using are the Michelin Optimum™ Wiper Blades. i have them on all my cars including the simi truck love them they are amazing
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