Is Mitsubishi turning the Evo into a R32/TT type car?
The way I see it, the Evo might be less enthusiast oriented, but the new Ralliart will fill that void. Evo without bells and whistles = new Ralliart. Both are AWD and have the same engine, but the Ralliart will have less features, and will be a cheaper starting point for tuners.
Here's my issue with your statement:
I have never complained about general cheapness or lack of creature comforts, I applaud Mitsubishi for their restraint in not adding useless items. I realize that there are people who make complaints, but regardless of what it becomes, they will always complain!
In the past the next evolution was as fast as the last or faster (i concede that during the WRC years the I-VI where unique in their Evolution). They evolved the 4g63 but added weight with Each new series (II-III, IV-VI, etc) but the car was still agile and fast.
By making the X softer the only thing it adds is more sales. The Evo will lose it's edge and then lose it's focus, it will become another eclipse. Sure people will buy it, and we can't fault Mitsubishi for wanting to be successful, after all it is a business. My question is, where too after it's downfall with the enthusiast? Does it become a M3 (3500 lbs with a V8 under the hood), a TT (3400lbs with a V6) or something else?
I have never complained about general cheapness or lack of creature comforts, I applaud Mitsubishi for their restraint in not adding useless items. I realize that there are people who make complaints, but regardless of what it becomes, they will always complain!
In the past the next evolution was as fast as the last or faster (i concede that during the WRC years the I-VI where unique in their Evolution). They evolved the 4g63 but added weight with Each new series (II-III, IV-VI, etc) but the car was still agile and fast.
By making the X softer the only thing it adds is more sales. The Evo will lose it's edge and then lose it's focus, it will become another eclipse. Sure people will buy it, and we can't fault Mitsubishi for wanting to be successful, after all it is a business. My question is, where too after it's downfall with the enthusiast? Does it become a M3 (3500 lbs with a V8 under the hood), a TT (3400lbs with a V6) or something else?
Um.... ok....
First off, yes you never complained. But others did. And those numbers outweigh your single vote (I know your not the only one who backs the minimalist concept, hell I do too, but that wasnt your arguement)
Second of all, its been proven the Evo VI is faster and more agile than any of the CT9a based cars (VII, VIII, IX) in stock form. Also, what makes you think the X wont be faster than the IX? Driven one? Seen a road test of one? No, you havent. No one has. So its rediculous to base opinions on speculation. Based on your logic from that second statement, as long as Mitsu beefs up the power and spends more on a new suspension, it should negate the weight increase, right?
Who knows what the Evo will become, but understand with new government regulations and more stringent safety standards, it becomes more and more difficult to sell back to basics sports car. You compare the Evo to going the way of the Eclipse. Last I checked, the Evo X still has awd, a turbo, and isnt much bigger than the current model. Lets not cry wolf until the car is released and driven by the public. Besides, you have not even accounted for the X being the first Evo in the states with AYC. Yes, the system has its opponents, but unless your a semi professional driver it will get you around the track quicker...
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What people dont seem to get is that the ONLY thing that mitsu is loyal to is money, and they are going to make whatever makes them money. I think that the X will do that and most likely sell better then the VIII or IX but its just not going to be for the "hardcore" enthusiasts anymore. One good thing though is that if more sell then the aftermarket will have more stuff available at cheaper prices due to volume.
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What people dont seem to get is that the ONLY thing that mitsu is loyal to is money, and they are going to make whatever makes them money. I think that the X will do that and most likely sell better then the VIII or IX but its just not going to be for the "hardcore" enthusiasts anymore. One good thing though is that if more sell then the aftermarket will have more stuff available at cheaper prices due to volume.
but if they see an opportunity to make more $$$ by making the evo a little less edgy they will do so with no regard to the hardcore enthusiasts.
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The point of this thread is about the watering down of the Evo. I never strayed from the topic. What's your point? Oh wells. I am almost certain that the Evo X will be just as heavy as the current Evo, because it will extensively use aluminum.
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There is no point to catering to the hardcore fan when it comes to a business and profit stand-point. Hardcore fans only make up a small portion when it comes to over all sales.
I read somewhere that the price of aluminum has increased causing Subaru to not use aluminum hoods anymore. Curious as to how this may affect the Evo...
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Very good point. Most people I talk to about the Evo X fail to realize that when your trying to run a multi-million dollar (probably more) company you cant depend on a small fraction of people to keep you running strong. This car is aimed at getting even more people over to Mitsubishi. If someone already owns an Evo 8,9 how many do you think are going to go out and buy another Evo? Not many. So this car is really fo r people who dont own this car or ever considered it. You have to cater to many different aspects to be successful in the automotive industry. To me the Evo X looks very promising. The way many cars have progressed over the years (i.e M3, RS4, GTi, Porsche, Ferrari) is the way the Evo is going. Now, obviously you still have people who will consider a Ferrari F40 the pinnacle of Ferrari and then others who'll say the Enzo is the greatest. But, if you really look at the facts side to side each one of these companies mentioned has built a car that performs better then the previous iteration. Isn't this the goal? I dont think Mitsubishi would risk there main performance car being watered down. They have alot riding on this car. They know the interest in this car is basically because it can perform witht the best of the best in the automotive world with a better price. Why would they ruin that? What they have done in my opinion is added more enjoyable things to an already great package. Why wouldn't I enjoy some cruise control on a long ride? A better sounding stereo? A navigation unit? Half of these things are being added through aftermarket by numerous Evo owners. Now its available through the factory with a warranty, all the better. The Evo X I feel is a good step forward, it may not be as hard edge, "hold on to the seat of your pants ' type car anymore, but this doesnt mean Mitsubishi has lost their way. I just tell people keep faith with Mitsubishi. They have seen their past mistakes (i.e 3G Eclipse, prev. Outlander, prev. Galant, Lancer) their newly realeased cars have all been a major improvement over previous versions. Im sure the Evo X will push the performance bar even higher.