Is Mitsubishi turning the Evo into a R32/TT type car?
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i have just been wondering. . .
has anyone considered that mitsubishi might just be doing this to compete with the sti?? seeing that the sti is the evos biggest competitor in the market, i think this is probably the most logical answer. a lot of reviews said that the evo just wasnt as nice inside as the sti and that the interior looked a bit more bland than the sti. so arent they just trying to solve this problem by upping the ante a bit? also, a lot of current evo owners have put a navigation system, bigger, louder sound systems, etc. already and you dont see it completely ruining the image or power of the car. i know that someone had said this before on this thread and i agree with them. the car is still fast as all hell and still smokes porsches.
has anyone considered that mitsubishi might just be doing this to compete with the sti?? seeing that the sti is the evos biggest competitor in the market, i think this is probably the most logical answer. a lot of reviews said that the evo just wasnt as nice inside as the sti and that the interior looked a bit more bland than the sti. so arent they just trying to solve this problem by upping the ante a bit? also, a lot of current evo owners have put a navigation system, bigger, louder sound systems, etc. already and you dont see it completely ruining the image or power of the car. i know that someone had said this before on this thread and i agree with them. the car is still fast as all hell and still smokes porsches.
To everyone defending the new car, I'm glad you'd consider something like that as a daily driver. I would not.
I'm kind of all or nothing when thinking of cars. I'd rather daily drive a Honda Odyssey and be in tons of room + comfort + hauling my wife, daughter, and friends around than an Evo X. (I don't DD my IX either, obviously)
For a performance car, I don't care for these DSG transmissions. Sure they shift faster than I can, but when the mods start to pile on (and I can't NOT modify a performance car), the shifting configurations won't be optimized for the car anymore.
Call me old fashioned, but I want to manually engage and disengage the clutch. The M3 is a perfect example. The SMG is just nowhere near as entertaining as a real 6 speed car. Granted, the M5 is different, because it is (IMO) an overwrought, overweight luxo-barge with a good deal of performance. The SMG in that car is a 7 speed, and it was especially designed for the car. The manual tranny guys got screwed for the M5, because BMW used an old gearbox that isn't optimized to the V10 at all. But I'm getting off the topic, so let me come back...
Part of driving is the fun of driving and the connection you get to the road. If they keep giving us more and more helpful computers to take over, soon we'll be able to jump in an automatic car that we just press a button, program it to take us to work, and recline and take a nap. Screw that! Or run a 59 second super lap on Laguna Seca, just fasten your seat belt in your supercar and press the "go" button.
Obviously I'm exaggerating for effect, but I too agree the older Evos were more hardcore than our current Cedia platform cars. I'd love to drive one of those, but the opportunity in the USA is pretty much nonexistant. That said, the new X moves the Evo right out of what _I personally_ want in a car, that is a raw connection of car and driver with almost no electronic nancies and as much manual interface as possible.
Could someone in an Evo X be faster around a racetrack? Maybe so! But their car will be much more devoid of soul in doing so. It might even finish the lap for them if they decide to take a nap.
I'm kind of all or nothing when thinking of cars. I'd rather daily drive a Honda Odyssey and be in tons of room + comfort + hauling my wife, daughter, and friends around than an Evo X. (I don't DD my IX either, obviously)
For a performance car, I don't care for these DSG transmissions. Sure they shift faster than I can, but when the mods start to pile on (and I can't NOT modify a performance car), the shifting configurations won't be optimized for the car anymore.
Call me old fashioned, but I want to manually engage and disengage the clutch. The M3 is a perfect example. The SMG is just nowhere near as entertaining as a real 6 speed car. Granted, the M5 is different, because it is (IMO) an overwrought, overweight luxo-barge with a good deal of performance. The SMG in that car is a 7 speed, and it was especially designed for the car. The manual tranny guys got screwed for the M5, because BMW used an old gearbox that isn't optimized to the V10 at all. But I'm getting off the topic, so let me come back...
Part of driving is the fun of driving and the connection you get to the road. If they keep giving us more and more helpful computers to take over, soon we'll be able to jump in an automatic car that we just press a button, program it to take us to work, and recline and take a nap. Screw that! Or run a 59 second super lap on Laguna Seca, just fasten your seat belt in your supercar and press the "go" button.
Obviously I'm exaggerating for effect, but I too agree the older Evos were more hardcore than our current Cedia platform cars. I'd love to drive one of those, but the opportunity in the USA is pretty much nonexistant. That said, the new X moves the Evo right out of what _I personally_ want in a car, that is a raw connection of car and driver with almost no electronic nancies and as much manual interface as possible.
Could someone in an Evo X be faster around a racetrack? Maybe so! But their car will be much more devoid of soul in doing so. It might even finish the lap for them if they decide to take a nap.
To everyone defending the new car, I'm glad you'd consider something like that as a daily driver. I would not.
I'm kind of all or nothing when thinking of cars. I'd rather daily drive a Honda Odyssey and be in tons of room + comfort + hauling my wife, daughter, and friends around than an Evo X. (I don't DD my IX either, obviously)
For a performance car, I don't care for these DSG transmissions. Sure they shift faster than I can, but when the mods start to pile on (and I can't NOT modify a performance car), the shifting configurations won't be optimized for the car anymore.
Call me old fashioned, but I want to manually engage and disengage the clutch. The M3 is a perfect example. The SMG is just nowhere near as entertaining as a real 6 speed car. Granted, the M5 is different, because it is (IMO) an overwrought, overweight luxo-barge with a good deal of performance. The SMG in that car is a 7 speed, and it was especially designed for the car. The manual tranny guys got screwed for the M5, because BMW used an old gearbox that isn't optimized to the V10 at all. But I'm getting off the topic, so let me come back...
Part of driving is the fun of driving and the connection you get to the road. If they keep giving us more and more helpful computers to take over, soon we'll be able to jump in an automatic car that we just press a button, program it to take us to work, and recline and take a nap. Screw that! Or run a 59 second super lap on Laguna Seca, just fasten your seat belt in your supercar and press the "go" button.
Obviously I'm exaggerating for effect, but I too agree the older Evos were more hardcore than our current Cedia platform cars. I'd love to drive one of those, but the opportunity in the USA is pretty much nonexistant. That said, the new X moves the Evo right out of what _I personally_ want in a car, that is a raw connection of car and driver with almost no electronic nancies and as much manual interface as possible.
Could someone in an Evo X be faster around a racetrack? Maybe so! But their car will be much more devoid of soul in doing so. It might even finish the lap for them if they decide to take a nap.
I'm kind of all or nothing when thinking of cars. I'd rather daily drive a Honda Odyssey and be in tons of room + comfort + hauling my wife, daughter, and friends around than an Evo X. (I don't DD my IX either, obviously)
For a performance car, I don't care for these DSG transmissions. Sure they shift faster than I can, but when the mods start to pile on (and I can't NOT modify a performance car), the shifting configurations won't be optimized for the car anymore.
Call me old fashioned, but I want to manually engage and disengage the clutch. The M3 is a perfect example. The SMG is just nowhere near as entertaining as a real 6 speed car. Granted, the M5 is different, because it is (IMO) an overwrought, overweight luxo-barge with a good deal of performance. The SMG in that car is a 7 speed, and it was especially designed for the car. The manual tranny guys got screwed for the M5, because BMW used an old gearbox that isn't optimized to the V10 at all. But I'm getting off the topic, so let me come back...
Part of driving is the fun of driving and the connection you get to the road. If they keep giving us more and more helpful computers to take over, soon we'll be able to jump in an automatic car that we just press a button, program it to take us to work, and recline and take a nap. Screw that! Or run a 59 second super lap on Laguna Seca, just fasten your seat belt in your supercar and press the "go" button.
Obviously I'm exaggerating for effect, but I too agree the older Evos were more hardcore than our current Cedia platform cars. I'd love to drive one of those, but the opportunity in the USA is pretty much nonexistant. That said, the new X moves the Evo right out of what _I personally_ want in a car, that is a raw connection of car and driver with almost no electronic nancies and as much manual interface as possible.
Could someone in an Evo X be faster around a racetrack? Maybe so! But their car will be much more devoid of soul in doing so. It might even finish the lap for them if they decide to take a nap.
I think its even funnier that no one even knows the performance specs for the damn car, and they are already complaining. WHen the numbers come out and if it takes 6 seconds to get to 60 and runs the 1/4 mile in 15 seconds then i think you can officially call it "the death of The Evo" but if the numbers are better...then whats the big deal. It supposed to handle better...it has a better more advance awd system at the very least, it is coming with more power.....just chill out and wait for the facts, instead of getting yourselves all worked up with speculation.
i have just been wondering. . .
has anyone considered that mitsubishi might just be doing this to compete with the sti?? seeing that the sti is the evos biggest competitor in the market, i think this is probably the most logical answer. a lot of reviews said that the evo just wasnt as nice inside as the sti and that the interior looked a bit more bland than the sti. so arent they just trying to solve this problem by upping the ante a bit? also, a lot of current evo owners have put a navigation system, bigger, louder sound systems, etc. already and you dont see it completely ruining the image or power of the car. i know that someone had said this before on this thread and i agree with them. the car is still fast as all hell and still smokes porsches.
has anyone considered that mitsubishi might just be doing this to compete with the sti?? seeing that the sti is the evos biggest competitor in the market, i think this is probably the most logical answer. a lot of reviews said that the evo just wasnt as nice inside as the sti and that the interior looked a bit more bland than the sti. so arent they just trying to solve this problem by upping the ante a bit? also, a lot of current evo owners have put a navigation system, bigger, louder sound systems, etc. already and you dont see it completely ruining the image or power of the car. i know that someone had said this before on this thread and i agree with them. the car is still fast as all hell and still smokes porsches.
AGREED.
For the people looking for a DD some creature comforts are needed! Somebody buying the EVO as a track car obviously can still buy the RS!
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I think its even funnier that no one even knows the performance specs for the damn car, and they are already complaining. WHen the numbers come out and if it takes 6 seconds to get to 60 and runs the 1/4 mile in 15 seconds then i think you can officially call it "the death of The Evo" but if the numbers are better...then whats the big deal. It supposed to handle better...it has a better more advance awd system at the very least, it is coming with more power.....just chill out and wait for the facts, instead of getting yourselves all worked up with speculation.
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All I have to say is remember all the magazine comparisons with the STi? Everyone of them commented on how the STi was nicer inside and even some people on this site complained how our Evo's are a $30k car with a base interior. I myself bought the Evo for it's performance and nothing else. But others want the best of both worlds luxury and ***** out fast handling. Other cars are providing it. So why would Mitsubishi not try and do the same. Bottom line I think they are looking at what critics and Evo owners have said What would make the Evo better?
Your comments are kind of off base. You think anyone driving a Enzo around a track with paddle shifters is falling asleep at the wheel. Granted its an Enzo, but this is 2007. Cars evolve, and its called EVOLUTION. If you racing at the track the paddle shift transmission is the optimal choice, WRC cars use a very similar set up.
I think its even funnier that no one even knows the performance specs for the damn car, and they are already complaining. WHen the numbers come out and if it takes 6 seconds to get to 60 and runs the 1/4 mile in 15 seconds then i think you can officially call it "the death of The Evo" but if the numbers are better...then whats the big deal. It supposed to handle better...it has a better more advance awd system at the very least, it is coming with more power.....just chill out and wait for the facts, instead of getting yourselves all worked up with speculation.
I think its even funnier that no one even knows the performance specs for the damn car, and they are already complaining. WHen the numbers come out and if it takes 6 seconds to get to 60 and runs the 1/4 mile in 15 seconds then i think you can officially call it "the death of The Evo" but if the numbers are better...then whats the big deal. It supposed to handle better...it has a better more advance awd system at the very least, it is coming with more power.....just chill out and wait for the facts, instead of getting yourselves all worked up with speculation.
Oh come off it. You can't compare an Evo X to an Enzo at all. The X is going to be much more like a DSG TT (snorefest) than any Ferrari. Its not like anyone hasn't seen one and we haven't read about it. An Enzo is a RR racecar. Your argument is wafer thin.
As far as the power it has stock, it wouldn't bother me if it was a little slower. That is a lot easier to address than converting transmissions. If you think it will be great, by all means, buy! Its just not what I'm looking for in a car until a manual transmission + manual clutch option comes out. I don't think I could explain that any more clearly than I did in that earlier post.
new evo
I went to our local mitsu dealer today to look at the new Lancer. While the interior is a little better, it still looks and feel cheap. The view from the drivers seat was not as open as the current lancer, it felt like I had tunnel vision (looking out toward the A-pillar area.). The trunk is useless by the way.