The ability to upgrade with the manual will be much easier. No programming or anything like that, just throw in a new clutch. That is the only real reason I see to go with a manual. I love manuals, but it sure would be nice to get rid of any mis-shifts or the possibility of going from 3-2 instead of 4th! I haven't done it myself, but I have seen it in person.

 

Probably. Upgrading will be easier, cheaper, and available sooner.

The only thing is that I heard the standard manual will be available later. Not sure how true that would be and for how long. Seems like a good business decision though; they are introducing a high tech transmission in a car that technically doesn't have a 2007 model year. As you can already tell, this a highly anticipated generation of the Evo with the most radical changes this series has ever seen. They want some hype about this transmission for sure. The Evo X will sell base Lancers like it never has before. Mitsubishi needs this.

As far as upgrading, it hard to say if the DSG can or not, but I doubt Mitsubishi would let this be the weak link in the drivetrain. There needs to be enough capacity to handle what previous generations could handle through upgrades or at least close. Maybe the manual will be the one to get for real high horsepower applications, like drag racing. I mean drag racing with a DSG doesn't even seem fair. Then maybe the DSG being able to handle around 550 hp seems to be a minimum for road racers and rally. I could deal with that. Of course more potential capacity is always better

I also wonder if there be issues for the aftermarket in making parts for a product that's kind of proprietary. Will they need to get licensing? Will the manufacturer try to grab that market, cutting out the aftermarket, and go either exclusively though Ralliart or with a third party. That could be some $$$ if they did that. It would probably be faster to market that way though. Otherwise the aftermarket has to get a car, take it a part, figure that thing out, test it, etc. That could be a long time.

 

That road and track article about the EVO X vs. STI says there will be a 5speed offering and the DSG. Here's the quote from the article:
I prefer the 5 speed for pure driver enjoyment on backroads, even though the DSG may be faster. It'd be cool at first, i know i'd get bored with it after a week.

 

I can say as someone who has closely followed the development of DSG for Porsche cars that torque-handling capability has been a huge problem for DSG.

Porsche has repeatedly had to cancel its introduction of DSG, because it cannot handle the high torque of its Turbocharged models. The 997TT was supposed to have DSG over a year ago, but it kept failing from the torque (close to 500 ft-lbs peak).

It now seems that Porsche will introduce DSG on its lower models (Boxster, Cayman), since those motors have only around 250 ft-lbs max.

I would be very nervous about using Mitsubishi's DSG with highly modified motors (lost warranty and expensive repairs are the inevitable consequence).

I've also heard that the larger versions of DSG that can handle lots of torque (like on the Bugatti Veyron) are VERY heavy and another reason that DSG development is so delayed for Porsche...

 

The exotic cars are not built for the drag strip. The Evo tranny is acually really strong compared to the 1g-2g eclipses. But anything and everything has a weak point. If you want to see a really good trans check out zeroshift.com

 

The thing with the dual clutch transmissions is that the clutch surface area is smaller for both clutches, since you are trying to fit two clutches in roughly the same space as one. The clutches are the limiting factor in these for sure. So if they oversize the clutch assembly, we may get enough capacity for room to grow. I agree that the standard manual will likely be the stronger of the two.

It's hard to tell really. Based on previous iterations of an economical DSG style transmission there does seem to be a limit on torque capacity that noticably falls sort of comparable single clutch performance. Maybe this new generation of DSG, called SSL, will address this issue. If we can get 500 lb-ft of torque out of it somehow, I think that would be more than satisfactory for a road race application.

If you just gotta have more power, you are no worse off than the current generation Evos by having to get a standard manual transmission in the new X. I think for most people that will buy the X, the DSG will suffice in terms of power, maybe with some tranny upgrades for the light to moderate modder.

 

The reason that they are having a problem with DSG is because of bad engineering.

 

Does DSG in the EVO X have a P mode, because in my M3 SMG, it has no P, you'd just put it in neutral and use the ebrake or leave it in gear when you park.

I'm asking because of the last picture of this post, I see P under the shifter.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=244416

 

Nothing about the SST has been released to the public. However DSG's on the VW's all have Park mode, so I would guess there's a good chance we'll see it on the Evo X.

 

It sounds like the problem with Porsche is they want to implement an existing DSG technology into various models.

The Ricardo DSG in the Veyron is over-engineered for 1100+ ft/lbs of torque, it was built specifically for one vehicle.

Mitsu's new SST is also proprietary, built with only one application in mind. It was only engineered for the Evo X, paired up specifically to function in sync with SAWC/SAYC. I believe whenever something is one-off in production auto it's going to kick-***. I also think the Evo X is the absolute pinnacle of technology in a performance car.

 

Isn't that exactly the issue at hand? If it's built for a single purpose: To work with the stock EVO X which has around 300hp and 300 ft.-lbs and they are conscious about issues of weight, what makes you think that it will be up to the task of reliably working with a modified EVO X that has 50%-75% more power and torque?

 

Most likely the transmission will be overbuilt to withstand the abuse that will happen throughout the lifespan of the car. It would be just plain stupid if they only built the SST to handle a measly 300 foot pounds of torque. If they did that the transmission will be dead in less than one year. Use some common sense.

 

Grant, the point I tried to make, which i alluded to with the comment of the overbuilt Ricardo in the Veyron, is that it will be over-engineered.

I don't think a company with has so much at stake in its halo car is going to spend a hypothetical 200 million on R&D for a proprietary piece of hardware and not put in an extra 50 million to over-engineer it. The loss of reputation is far more costly in the long run if this transmission is weak, especially since they themselves leaked the info that SST will be superior to pretty much everything out there. They must have a lot of confidence in this box to have the ***** to make that claim.

 

You do realize you're talking about Mitsubishi right? The company that brought us the self-draining transfer case and the "improved" 2G featuring crankwalk!

The Veyron Ricardo transmission is nothing like any other DSG transmission as it was a very customized, limited production run. Ricardo doesn't make any other DSG transes that I know of. That doesn't mean the Mitsu DSG will be bad. It's just an unknown right now.

 

hmmm would it be a better idea if individual who plan not to go for off the chart hp to go for the DSG and people who want to make the fastest n baddest evo X to run with manual? like i think the manual will be much more easy n cheap to modify, and importantly easyer to fix if anything happens! can u imagin the bill to fix one of these new transmitions just because u did something stupid!!! but it would be bad azz a EvoX who shifts at 8mls with 500+ HP!!! the newer STis wouldnt even stand a chance!!!!