Maybe that's why the engine compartment looks so cramped; to fit a huge SST unit in there!

My understanding is that Mitsubishi wants to race these. It just wouldn't make sense that they put all this R&D into the SST and then just use a standard manual for racing. That wouldn't be good for marketing at all.

If that's the case, then the SST should be able to handle increased loads at least through upgrades. The street version may come with a smaller clutch assembly, but the case may allow for a bigger unit. All the other hardware in the case will probably be strong enough from the factory to handle racing loads. Racing tends to push the design safety factor a bit since characteristics like low weight, rigorous maintenance schedules, etc. are emphasized. Street duty on the other hand likes to have high design safety factor since qualities like reliability and durability will usually result in less warranty claims.

I'm willing to bet the SST be up to the challenge for modders. The SST will be the first application of dual clutch technology in an attainable production performance car. The Evo is a performance first, comfort last kind of a car, although they are stepping it up in that department too. The world has never seen a car like this.

 

I agree. The advancement in technology is fantastic.

 

well i guess we will find out if this new transimition will be up to the performance audience from the Japanese... afterall they get these stuff before we do... then also get extra time to play with these toys!!! so if the next WRC car uses the DGS then forsho the tranny will be hardcore enough to hold up to us weekend racers... i wish i could see how would the WRC version of the Evo X would look...

 

I wash cars for an exotic car shop in Pittsburgh, and I can say that all the paddle shifters (Ferrari, Maserati, BMW, Aston Martin,...) are junk. They drive like crap and you can never make a smooth transition between shifts, no matter how light you feather the gas or how slow your going. I personally look at the guys that buy these cars and think less of them. I see them as Michael Shuwhatever wanna-bees that can't mimic a perfect heel-toe down-shift themselves so they buy a flappy paddle gear shift.

The DSG WILL take away from the purity of the Evo X and I personally will think less of you if you buy a X with paddles.

 

uhmmm thats like sayin "red is the real color of the racing rally evo, so if u buy another color, then ill think less of u..." com'on.. if someone wants to try a taste of the next technology then let them be... and if u want to stay true to old school then go for a manual... i just think and evo is an evo... manual or paddel... its still fast, honda people will still think twice before going against u... com'on can paddel shift people and manual people be firends? com'on lets not make it into the next tu-pac and biggy of transmission!!!

 

You can think less of me and my Evo X with DSG and I'll think of you less with your Evo with manual tranny and slower track times. Face it, DSG is the future, the technology will get better and it's here to stay, it's more efficient than conventional manual tranny and it also shifts faster. Whats there not to like? I am all for improving the overall speed/balance/architecture of the car and if DSG will help in this regard then why not? Does being faster than you makes me a worse driver???

 

And making that comment is not going to have people reading your post think less of yourself?

 

All of the paddle shifter cars you mentioned are not dual clutch and thus cannot be compared to DSG or Mitsus SST. The dual clutch technology used in DSG makes shifting very fast and smooth. I don't think anything less is expected out of the SST.

 

That would really be painful to these guys with expensive cars coming from a guy that washes cars for a living. Ouch. Come on now, you wash cars; you are in no position to think less of anybody. No real offense to people who wash cars, but let's face it, just because you get to move a car that's worth more than your yearly salary times five, it doesn't make you an expert in automotive technology.

First, not everyone cares to learn heel-toe downshifting. Why should they? People want to have fun with their cars however they want to. Who are you to say you are more deserving than another? Does your mom know how to heel-toe? She doesn't? OMG she doesn't know how to heel-toe; what a dumb bish!

Second, what's the problem with having a car that tries to implement the latest technology? Sure, the single clutch auto-manuals were a bit sloppy, but that's because this technology is at its infancy. Just because the first few to market were less than perfect, it doesn't mean the later implementations are going to be worthless. Was turbocharging perfect when it was introduced to the market decades ago? No, it wasn't. They had problems. Should we have given up on them at that time? I think we all know the answer to that one.

Third, you do not define what the Evo is; Mitsubishi does. What is "purity" anyways? That's just stupid. Did MIVEC take away from its purity? Did ACD take away from its purity? If by "purity" you mean stagnant and unchanging, then I guess the whole evolution series is as impure as it gets. The idea is to implement the latest technology and evolve the Evo into something faster, better and more fun.

You want to be able to look down at guys that have more money than you can ever dream of, because you are pissed off at the hopeless mediocrity that defines your life. The only way you can do this is by attacking the fact that they can't heel-toe downshift, at least that you know of. Pathetic. Why don't you try and learn something from wealthy people instead of criticizing them. They must be doing something right to afford the cars you see.

 

I’m wondering a bit about down shifts, the DSG type of transmission seam very fast in up shift but what about down shift? Anybody tried a DSG and can tell about it?

 

Damn... Thats pretty cold lol

 

I cut deep. I'm cold blooded... on the internet.

Looking down at people because of a transmission option on a car that doesn't even exist yet? That's ridiculous. Even if he had the cure cancer, saying crap like that makes you an a-hole in my book.

 

I've driven the Golf GTI DSG and I have to say no amount of skills heel-toeing nor mad upshifting will make me as good as it.

It shifts so fast and smoothly my friend could barely tell when I was shifting both up or down.

There is mention of a slight lag when you get off the throttle and back on, but I didn't notice it at all. I had some serious fun driving this car, and no doubt love it.

Sure the MT is great and I miss it, but there are many days I wish I didn't own the Evo when I get stuck for 1 hr in traffic. Driving my other DD Audi is great for this.

If the X comes out and proves it's worth (in both realiability and power/upgrades), I have no doubt I'll be trading in my 03 Evo for it.

 

Just as fast. It works in reverse the way that upshifting works. One clutch works the odd numbered gears plus reverse and one clutch works the even numbered gears. When you have first engaged the second clutch is already grabbed onto second. You initiate the upshift and the first clutch releases, second grabs and you're putting power down again. Downshifting is the exact opposite of this process.

 

The downshifts are slower. Much slower I hear. Upshifts are 8 ms, while the downshifts are around 800 ms from what I've heard. I guess it has to do with blipping the throttle to match the revs and I think the trans anticipates that you are going to upshift, so it has the next gear engaged, when you want the last gear engaged for the downshift. So it has to disengage the next gear, engage the last gear, clutch in, blip the throttle, clutch out.

It shouldn't matter though if you are doing things right. If you are in too high of gear in a turn and down shift upon exit, you will notice it. But if you get all of your downshifting done before the entry, while you are slowing down, then those 800 ms don't matter much.

It's a better shifting strategy to bias all the quick shifting to the upshift, because typically you are accelerating and under full load it that situation. Down****s will tend to happen upon slowing down and quick shifts are not very crucial.

Perhaps with the SST, the shifting strategy might be more intelligent, based on more parameters. If I were to design this, I would have a "half depression" point on the shifting paddles. Half depression cues the transmission to what you are thinking about doing and full depression actually performs the shift. The same concept could be used on a launch. Half depression on a paddle could signal a possible launch, it allows you to rev up the motor with both clutches disengaged, go to full depression and it launches perfectly and safely. That would be incredible.