everything i've heard so far says that it won't handle the hp... magazines like to say anything they want tho until the final product comes out and they can finally get a chance to review it

 

Name a car with a manual transmission that can handle 1000hp & 922 lb/ft of torque. Don't worry, DSG can handle it! It's called a Bugatti Veyron.

While VW uses a weaker version for its lesser cars (nothing wrong with that, BTW), the Veyron is absolute proof that the DSG can be built strong enough for the Evo or anything else.

 

Looking forward to the new tranny! with that power and handling ... I better save one up from now ...

 

Cool find! I'm looking forward for the test drive!

 

http://digiads.com.au/car-news/lates...Co_200707.html

particularly:
http://digiads.com.au/car-news/new/i...0606-img_3.jpg
http://digiads.com.au/car-news/new/i...0606-img_4.jpg
http://digiads.com.au/car-news/new/i...0606-img_5.jpg
http://digiads.com.au/car-news/new/i...0606-img_7.jpg
http://digiads.com.au/car-news/new/i...0606-img_9.jpg


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Very nice

 

Im all for the new trans because of the new tech but the stock trans on an VIII or IX can handle a good amount of power but the clutch cannot so I assume that even though its a dual clutch I doubt its as strong as a dual disc clutch is for a normal manual trans. And who knows if the clutch can even be replaced at a reasonable cost on the new trans.

 

In researching the possibility of buying the upcoming VW R32, I spoke to Nik Brkich at HPA, makers of some seriously powerful turbo kits for the R32. They said that the stock R32 DSG can handle up to 400 whp. They offer clutch replacements for their kits that go higher than that, so I imagine it will just take some time before shops start offering the same thing for the Evo X.

 

I find those pictures very interesting. This one looks like the front diff:

The core appears to be an open diff, but the clutch plates hopefully mean the S-AWC system will makeit act like a LSD.


This one is of the rear diff:
What interests me is the part closest to the camera. If you look at This Whitepaper on the S-AWC system, you can see in the diagrams that the ols S-AYC system used an open diff design, whereas their original plan for the S-AWC system used an LSD (you can see the clutchpacks on the left.) But in the picture above, there are planetary gears where the LSD and Open Diff internals are on the two diagrams.

I'm not sre why this change was made. I'm trying to figure out the diff from the picture, but I don't see a clear reason. The only thing I can think of is that with the Open Diff or LSD arrangement, there's still going to be at least a small amount of torque going to the left wheel. With a planetary, it means the left wheel can be completely disengaged. But that shifts a lot of the load to the torque-splitting gears. This is a BIG change compared to the whitepaper. I'm sure Mitsu has it all figured out. But being an armchair engineer, this change has me very curious.

If only it were possible to talk about this with their engineers. Oh well.

 

Ya, i was reading around VW forums and found out stock DSG tranny holds about 350 WHP. I would assume mitsu would make a strong dsg tranny since it will be "better" than VW ones.

 

Good enough for every Formula One car on the track might be good enough for us, if it doesn't break. Note that this is *not* a CVT or continuously variable transmission as some speculated before, but a true dual-clutch semiautomatic transmission which Mitsu is branding as "Twin Clutch SST."

If I never had to row a gear again, if it reliably and quickly blipped gears like Michael Schumacher's F1 car, and it could hold ~500whp, I think this might be the most perfect internal combustion-based performance car value to date for me.

Does anyone know if Mitsu is sourcing these from Borg-Warner or building from scratch?

Best,
Adam

 

mitsubishi is outsourcing them to GETRAG, but it's mitsubishi developed....

 

They're definitely both clutch type diffs. It looks as if the rear has two clutches.

I'm wondering what that gear set in the rear diff does.

 

There's no strength limitation due to the DSG technology. It only depends on how stoutly Mitsubishi designed the gears, clutch, and case.

 

Look again. The clutch packs you see that are on the Right side of the car are used for torque redirection. Those are activated by the AYC system. If that system isn't active, the Left side is essentially the diff. In the S-AYC system it was just an open diff. In the whitepaper the S-AWC system used an LSD. But in these pictures it's now a planetary gear arrangement.

I don't know if the older S-AYC system could be turned off, but I don't think you'll be able to shut the S-AWC system in the Evo X off.