So here I am, cash in hand, ready to buy a new Evolution....

I have had my mind set on a new Evo X for about 3 months now. However, the more I read about the new Evo, and compare it to the volumes I know about the Evo8/9, I start to panic. Should I wait for the Evo X? I mean, there are a only few dozen NEW evo IX's left for sale at best, and buying a used Evo is pretty much out of the question.

Aluminum engine? What kind of boost will it support? Will they sleeve the cylinders of the aluminum engine? Will this engine be anywhere as tunable as the 4G63? I know it's lame, but I am literally loosing sleep over this. Every day I feel like I should buy a NEW IX before they all get sold and beat to death.

I know the new X motor will make more power stock. I also know the new AWD system is superior, as well as the interior, but the motor is what I am focused on....

This new motor is literally making me loose sleep.

- Jason

 

well no one can answer the question about the motor but father time. I think the X will be at least as good as the ix and in my opinion looks better. But then again depends on your taste. You'll either have to put your trust in Mitsubishi or just stick with a ix. It's way to early to tell and won't probably have a definate answer for another year.

 

Buy a IX and wait for XI

 

If you are going to mod it right away and track it some, IX is going to be a safer choice. If you are looking for a better looking car and you can deal with performance toned down a bit,
X it is. In time, tuning for X will be developed, it will be more expensive initially.

 

Panic? Honestly? Yikes...

I love how so many people question how much hp the new engine can turn out when tuned, but how many people really have 500hp 8s and 9s? All these people complain about the new block, yet these are people with mild bolt ons and simple tunes. Sad really...

 

get an ix

 

I'd go with a IX. With the new engine releasing, it will have very little aftermarket support, even a few months after the launch date. If you're intending to keep your car stock for a while (perhaps a long while), and can wait, go with the X.

Look at how many years this engine has been available. Heh, even look at how long it took to have MIVEC cams made. A lot of precious time and energy will go into RnD before you'll ever see quality parts emerge.

And like a lot of other people on the forums, I'm not all that convinced that the X will be an evolution from the IX. Since when does such a high profile car share its engine? Either way, though, look at the other generation-based iterations of vehicles with this sort of legacy (S-chassis, R-chassis, FD, etc). In the long run, your enjoyment of the car will probably come down to your own driving skill. It'll still be an Evo, either way (for what that's worth).

Anyway, the choice is yours. Good luck!

 

In your sig your wrote "Not a dime spent on cosmetics, and proud of it!" and considering the mods you did to your lancer.. I can tell you right away that you need to buy the Evo 9. The evo X is simply too new, Don't expect any major manufacturers making any parts for it in the near future.. I anticipate it will take almost 1 year for businesses to start developing simply bolt ons, and possibly another year for cams and other more power components to be released.

You really have to decide what you want to do. You talk about, will they sleeve the engine cylinder's and how much boost will it hold. I can tell you this from what i've read. This is simply a different car, It's not what we all know as the car named Evo. It's not going to be slow but then again we are spoiled by the proven engine and Research and Development that 10 years have contributed to the 4G63 Engine. Expect this engine to take the same R&D path.

If you want to go fast, buy an Evo 9. Not only is it going to be cheaper but with the money you save you can easily buy mods that are available right now which will enable you to go much faster than the Evo X will.

If you want a nice more luxury car, that is more tamed and you know you'll pretty much leave it stock for more than a year. Then get the Evo X.

You are also forgetting this is the first year of production for this car.. I personally anticipate a few problems and hope that their 3rd generation Evo X will be lighter, stronger and if sales go down they might go back to the tuner crowd. Which would leave you with a First generation X that you would have wished you waited.

Maybe I'm being a bit exagerated, but I can tell you those that bought the 2003 Evo sometimes do wish they waited for atleast the 2005 Evo simply because of that darn P0300 code error. I'm just saying expect some issues when a new production car is first released.. We are all human after all..

 

Honestly, I would imagine that 350hp is very feasible on the new engine if not 400. Maybe not immediately but after some time I would definitely imagine power gains being very feasible on this machine.

Honestly I'd be happy enough with the sub-5 second performance that this'll throw out (I'd imagine Mitsubishi adjusting according to magazine reviews & at least tuning the cars just a little to at least run 0-60 under 5 especially for SST manual modes) to not even think of moding for a while, if I wanted a 400HP car right out the gate I'd look into getting a IX and the nearest reputable place to hook that up.

 

We cant answer anything about mech. yet.

Dude, just buy evo IX hell no im getting rid of mine for X

 

You can always trade in the iX for the X...its an option if for whatever reason the X turns into a way better car the the iX...like everyone else said...the iX has the aftermarket support...the X does not...IMO the iX looks better too...

 

keep in mind this is an EVO. parts are sure to fly in as long as its a good platform, i couldnt see mitsu messing that up bad esp. cause the crazy high power phrase we are going through from other manufactures. IMO if your looking at making big power, and more on the lines of a race car go with the 9. from my understanding the X is more civilized. more options, as we know is usually more weight.....but yes they can be removed. but im sure the motor is pretty restricted from factory and we all know turning up boost, freeing up exhaust & intake adds good power off a base turbo car. if you are planning on DD then the X is more civilized, not to say our *'s & 9's arent. and im sure we can get that X at least into the mid to high 11's. not to mention AYC if you plan on tracking the car time to time. the DSG like tranny is going to be excellent if its anything like the GTi. -----------the X is not going to dissappoint, but i think the IX is the last of what has been refined and proven for the last decades. and with you coming from a lancer, youll be happy with either car.

 

Good advice. There are actually 150-200 Evo IX's left in NA and almost all are Evo MR SE's so don't look for a big price drop from your dealer. But if you want BIG HP figure's right now, look no further.

There are other manufacturer's running forced induction aluminum block motors (Subaru, Audi, etc.) that run just fine with modifications.

Now if your looking for the ridiculous HP numbers that can be found in well tuned 4G63 blocks (500hp!), I think those days are over. Aluminum just can't dissipate the heat that good old iron can.

Not to mention the fact that it'll be awhile before the computer wizards can crack the can-bus ECU the new Evo is running. Just look at all the issues Volkswagen tuners had with the 2.0FSI/DSG setup.

I'd give it a year or so and let Mitsubishi as well as the tuning community work out the growing pains first.

 

Sorry, engineer in me read this and had to correct it.

Aluminum, due to its higher thermal conductivity, disipates heat much better; Iron will hold heat long after aluminum has cooled. This is why high capacity radiators and intercoolers are constructed of aluminum, it works are a great heat exchanger that is easily cooled. Its also why most heat sinks on electronics are made of aluminum.

What aluminum fails in is fatigue when heated compared to cast Iron, as well as yield and ultimate stress levels. Aluminum's larger coefficient of thermal expansion also creates some unique design challenges.

There are very few reasons a well designed aluminum block cannot hold large amounts of boost and hp, although its threshold will be less than that of cast iron (how many actually have 1000hp evos anyhow? )

 

Thanks, Tri. I wasn't going to type it out but that sentence in the previous post made my eye twitch.