Mr Driven By Edmunds
Originally Posted by 1QWKEVO
being a 2003 owner I feel like a recall is in order or atleast offer the 2005 upgrades! lol
No offense, but comments like this **** me off. What possible justification could you come up with to warrant Mitsubishi giving every '03 owner a new clutch? And where would it stop? "Well, the '05s got a better turbo, mine should have come with that!" If the clutch is that big a deal, sell your '03 and get an '05. Otherwise be happy with what you have - it's still a great car even if the '05 has a better clutch and 5 more hp and whatever else.
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I really feal that the Edmunds MR test drive was a complete waste... 
First off, it's like having a soccer mom compare an EVO to an EVO MR. Yeah, they test drive cars, but the EVO, as well as performance cars without uber price tags, is lost on them...
Second, they didn't update their website when knowing the MR was coming for the last few months. Doesn't seem they were that excited about it... but wait, a new BMW?!?! Exactly...
It wasn't a real world test... closed track requiring skills that at least they admit not to possess.
Now, Motor Trend... well, EVO Neal and Co are real car guys. They love the EVO... hell EVO Neal owns one... they were chomping at the bit to get their hands on one when they got wind of the MR coming to these shores... and they know how to drive. I'll take their review on the MR as gosipel
First off, it's like having a soccer mom compare an EVO to an EVO MR. Yeah, they test drive cars, but the EVO, as well as performance cars without uber price tags, is lost on them...
Second, they didn't update their website when knowing the MR was coming for the last few months. Doesn't seem they were that excited about it... but wait, a new BMW?!?! Exactly...
It wasn't a real world test... closed track requiring skills that at least they admit not to possess.
Now, Motor Trend... well, EVO Neal and Co are real car guys. They love the EVO... hell EVO Neal owns one... they were chomping at the bit to get their hands on one when they got wind of the MR coming to these shores... and they know how to drive. I'll take their review on the MR as gosipel
Originally Posted by MisterSpoot
The last Motor Trend mag that ran an Evo review listed 3263 lbs as the weight. The source was Mitsubishi Motors.
Why would a magazine weigh the car themselves when they can just follow the manufacturer's specs?
The MR will NOT weigh less than an RS. If you think that, you're nuts. The wheels cut 10.8 pounds. The roof cuts 13.2 pounds. The side impact beams are an unknown. But, weight will be altered further because of the 6-speed, Bilstein suspension, and other bits.
I see a known loss of 24lbs, but some weight may very well be added back in. Considering the MR doesn't have sound deadening material cut, still has trunk lining, power windows, etc, it's NOT going to weigh less than the '04 RS. The '04 RS will probably be the lightest Evo the US will have available
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UPDATE: Just checked. A gallon of unleaded gas weighs a little over 6.2lbs. With a 14.0 gallon tank, that means the gasoline difference is about 87lbs. You're still getting NOWHERE near the sub-3100lb weight you're expecting.
UPDATE: Official Mitsubishi Motors weight for the 2005 MR is 3285lbs.
Why would a magazine weigh the car themselves when they can just follow the manufacturer's specs?
The MR will NOT weigh less than an RS. If you think that, you're nuts. The wheels cut 10.8 pounds. The roof cuts 13.2 pounds. The side impact beams are an unknown. But, weight will be altered further because of the 6-speed, Bilstein suspension, and other bits.
I see a known loss of 24lbs, but some weight may very well be added back in. Considering the MR doesn't have sound deadening material cut, still has trunk lining, power windows, etc, it's NOT going to weigh less than the '04 RS. The '04 RS will probably be the lightest Evo the US will have available
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UPDATE: Just checked. A gallon of unleaded gas weighs a little over 6.2lbs. With a 14.0 gallon tank, that means the gasoline difference is about 87lbs. You're still getting NOWHERE near the sub-3100lb weight you're expecting.
UPDATE: Official Mitsubishi Motors weight for the 2005 MR is 3285lbs.
Please let's also remember that we have different crash standards here then they have overseas so I wouldn't expect a USDM Evo to weigh the same as a JDM Evo, but I CAN tell you which one I'd rather be in if involved in an accident.
Last edited by EVO Neil; Sep 8, 2004 at 05:44 PM.
Originally Posted by pjork-master
I really feal that the Edmunds MR test drive was a complete waste...
First off, it's like having a soccer mom compare an EVO to an EVO MR. Yeah, they test drive cars, but the EVO, as well as performance cars without uber price tags, is lost on them...
Second, they didn't update their website when knowing the MR was coming for the last few months. Doesn't seem they were that excited about it... but wait, a new BMW?!?! Exactly...
It wasn't a real world test... closed track requiring skills that at least they admit not to possess.
Now, Motor Trend... well, EVO Neal and Co are real car guys. They love the EVO... hell EVO Neal owns one... they were chomping at the bit to get their hands on one when they got wind of the MR coming to these shores... and they know how to drive. I'll take their review on the MR as gosipel
First off, it's like having a soccer mom compare an EVO to an EVO MR. Yeah, they test drive cars, but the EVO, as well as performance cars without uber price tags, is lost on them...
Second, they didn't update their website when knowing the MR was coming for the last few months. Doesn't seem they were that excited about it... but wait, a new BMW?!?! Exactly...
It wasn't a real world test... closed track requiring skills that at least they admit not to possess.
Now, Motor Trend... well, EVO Neal and Co are real car guys. They love the EVO... hell EVO Neal owns one... they were chomping at the bit to get their hands on one when they got wind of the MR coming to these shores... and they know how to drive. I'll take their review on the MR as gosipel
I have a quick question:
During the MT test, what sort of shoes did each car have? Does the MR come with the same tires as the standard EVO? Assuming it does, how many heat cycles did the standard car have compared to the MR? I have noticed with my car that, when the tires are new, I have considerably better grip on the track, but after they had been worn and heat cycled numerous times over several months I find that my grip diminishes and my lap times increase.
Just a possible explanation of why there was a 2 second difference between lap times between the MR and the standard.
Tires can make all the difference in the world.
During the MT test, what sort of shoes did each car have? Does the MR come with the same tires as the standard EVO? Assuming it does, how many heat cycles did the standard car have compared to the MR? I have noticed with my car that, when the tires are new, I have considerably better grip on the track, but after they had been worn and heat cycled numerous times over several months I find that my grip diminishes and my lap times increase.
Just a possible explanation of why there was a 2 second difference between lap times between the MR and the standard.
Tires can make all the difference in the world.
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Originally Posted by delkat
The MR will be the heaviest version for '05 if you compare it to the GSR without the HID headlights and sunroof. The RS will be the lightest by approx. 80lbs vs. the MR.
Where did you get these specs? Why are HIDs so heavy?
Originally Posted by JTB
I have a quick question:
During the MT test, what sort of shoes did each car have? Does the MR come with the same tires as the standard EVO? Assuming it does, how many heat cycles did the standard car have compared to the MR? I have noticed with my car that, when the tires are new, I have considerably better grip on the track, but after they had been worn and heat cycled numerous times over several months I find that my grip diminishes and my lap times increase.
Just a possible explanation of why there was a 2 second difference between lap times between the MR and the standard.
Tires can make all the difference in the world.
During the MT test, what sort of shoes did each car have? Does the MR come with the same tires as the standard EVO? Assuming it does, how many heat cycles did the standard car have compared to the MR? I have noticed with my car that, when the tires are new, I have considerably better grip on the track, but after they had been worn and heat cycled numerous times over several months I find that my grip diminishes and my lap times increase.
Just a possible explanation of why there was a 2 second difference between lap times between the MR and the standard.
Tires can make all the difference in the world.
Originally Posted by EVO Neil
Both cars used stock rubber with about 1,500 miles on each vehicle. The Evo MR uses the same tire as the rest of the U.S. Evo line-up, Yokohama ADVAN A-046. The '03 Evo was also a low mileage car, so I don't think that had much to do with it.
Thanks.