I bet the 05 Evos will be announced after the mitsubishi dealer meeting in New Orleans. The meeting is sept. 22-24. I have a feeling that is what is going to happen. But......maybe not. Who knows. Just a guess.

 

That is a great theory; I bet your are right! Seriously, what else could they be waiting for?

 

i hope it's that straight forward, but i think there's more to it than that... i don't know. it's suicide to wait to release it...

the dealers are sitting on '04 Evos or selling them at almost no profit.

and the '05 STi is as good, so people are x-shopping out of frustration.

remember, silence in buisness usually means something is not kosher.

 

Wouldn't selling the 04's be easier if there was no information on the 05?

 

no.

think about it... the info for the '05s are out.

if you can wait for an Evo, what are you going to buy? an '04 or an '05? with the engine improvements, and for the RS and MR their respective improvements, without a price difference (outside of the MR), the choice is simple.

now if your going to mod the crap out of the motor, well saving a few bucks won't hurt so the '04 is a great buy.

but most people don't.

plus their are x number of people wanting to buy Evos or STis... having '04s doesn't increase the number of buyres.

the MR could have been a real opportunity for Mitsu to increase it's buying market...
but... they toned it down, they limited its production, and they don't have firm dates.

the guys who they could have attracted buy M3s, S4s, STis, Boxters... they like performance on the edge... but most of them don't want to or can't wait for an unspecified lenght of time for a car. they want it now since their leases are up or their interest is short lived.

one of those guys is me... i have the means and desire, and have been patient for 9 months, but enough is enough. you can only delay satisfaction so long... it's not a ferrari where there really is no comparable car. it's an Evo, and the above mentioned cars aren't that far off.

the delay makes no sense... even less so is no confirmed date or price.

what i think we are seeing is a struggling company with weak management and no visionary at the helm.

any car guy knows, that when you sell cars your home market sustains you, but the US market makes you profits... not Europe. instead of getting the MR here 4months ago, they release FQ versions in England, and then 100 specialty FQ-400s. huh? i'm pining to get a car for 9mnths, and England has 5 iterations of it available?

and making the FQ-400 is no small labor of love... definitely took resources that are scarce. hell, they out ralliart into the mix.

my thoughts... i know for a fact many waiting for the '05s or the MR have bought '05 STis... i think subaru intentionally didn't bring the spec-c... they brought a car that integrated many of the key suspension and steering changes and brought it out in may... brilliant.

when else do you want to drive your new sports car other than the summer?

 

I think you're wrong. All I hear is MR this and MR that. No one seems to care about '04's. I don't think everyone is worried about whats the best dollar per mod value, but just want the newest shiniest thing on the block. Being impatient is just a personal issue, has nothing to do with the company's leadership. There will be people with leases coming up next month, and the next and so on... I know many people that want an MR who haven't bought anything else. They're waiting on me to call them. It sucks that I'm only getting one so far. But that's the way it goes.

 

yea im with you look at every magazine right now and they all have something about the MR. everywhere you look that has to do about cars mentions the MR.

 

I cannot agree with you more.

I just want to add that I am extremely dissappointed with Mitsubishi of America. Instead of offering our market the same features and options as they do abroad, they shaft us and leave us with the leftovers from the European and Asian markets.

Subaru has done an incredible job improving on an already successful platform, while retaining relatively good pricing. They have, for 2005, completely revamped the entire suspension system of the STi, modified the wheelbase and track, totally redesigned the interior and offered us features that everyday (or even weekend) drivers use, want, and need- from the aesthetic changes like aluminum-esque trim to practical conveniences like automatic air conditioning and auto dimming rear view mirrors.

While the market for the Evo offers a plethora of performance enhancements, the STi has an incredible amount of potential. With stronger internals and a good turbo and tune, that 2.5L Boxer-Four will have infinite capabilities.

I am not waiting around for Mitsubishi to get their crap together. I have waited long enough. Im ready to put a nice down payment on a WR Blue Pearl STi. For all the Evo owners, I will always love the Evo- but i just can't justify spending that kind of money and still having an interior comparable to my buddies 2002 Civic EX. I am going to be spending alot of time with this next car and I want to feel the convenience and quality in addition to the performance. Ciao.

 

I've had the money to buy an evo for a few months now, but after hearing about the '05s improvements, i decided to wait.. and wait.. and wait.. the dealership i've been talking to told me september, and now october, and i have a feeling that next they'll tell me november. What can I do, I have my sights set on the evo and I've had my sights set on the evo ever since I heard rumors of them making their way over to the states. Bah, what can I do. I'm still sitting firm on this money burning a hole in my pocket, heh.

 

For cryin out loud!!! You people that say that can't wait sound like a bunch of whiny b@st@rds. Stop everything......we have to wait a few extra weeks...so I am gonna go buy an STI cause I have no patience. Please people.....stop the cry baby $hit!!!!!! When the 03's came out....we had to wait anywhere from 3-5 extra months for ours.....so...Get over it!!!! It will be here very soon. Go rub one out and settle down!

 

All those improvements and they still came in second. If that's what you want so be it, but don't try to sell your opinions and preferences as reasons and facts for people who want an MR to buy an STi.

 

favre95 - you don't get it man. what a couple of more weeks? you tell me when the car is coming? and how much you're going to pay? nobody's whinning, we're all commenting that something is not right... period. explain to me how limbo benifits any buisness let alone mitsu? hell, even the dealers aren't happy if you look earlier in the post... they even say it.

the '03 wait was anticipated, new car, new marke needing to pass government standards. not so with the '05 batch.

gptourer - and the STi came in second on the track by drivers likely substantially more skilled than myself, let alone 98% of the people on this site. in day-to-day driving, i'm sure it's a wash, that's why MT gave the nod only at the last paragraph to the MR... but really praised the STi t/o... and for living with the car, every journal hands down say the STi is the one, including MT. dude, you know it and i know it... you're losing customers.

anyway, i'll be back to the dealers when the IX/X come-out.

peace and go packers.

 

It does not matter that it took professional drivers to prove one car was better then the other. Winning's winning. YOU know this and I know this. For all the bench racers, mar racers, ricers, auto X people, drag people, sunday cruisers, it all boils down to hard numbers and bragging rights. People still choose other cars for their own personal preferences, but it doesn't make one car better or worse, just better for that individual.

I don't know why Mitsu is waiting, they just are - they have their reasoning its their peroggative, they don't owe YOU, me or anyone here anything, or any set time. You act as if you've got a signed contract with money tied up. Who sez it has to come out on ANY OF OUR timeframes? It'll be here when it gets here. Its not going to make or break Mitsu just because YOU can't wait and have to have a car RIGHT NOW, we'll all get over it too. Go get your STi and have fun on NASIOC.

Peace.

 

Lighten up and dont be so sensitive. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and everyone on this board has one of their own. I expressed mine. If that consititutes "selling" an opinion in your eyes, you
must be easily swayed by such simple explanations of why i'd rather spend my money elsewhere.

just my .02

 

last time i checked, if the customer doesn't get what they expect, the buisness loses. no other company withholds date and price.

again, Mitsu as well as any other company owes all of their customers to have the product available when they said it was going to be available, let alone an official MSRP preceding the release.

... 09/22 is tomorrow and, would you look at that, no MR. and when, not even g-d himself knows, when it will arrive.

and Mitsu going by it's own peroggative has proven less then sound looking at its history of being bailed out multiple times, hiding failures, and being in financial chaos... so, i wouldn't trust their judgement at this point.

subaru is stealing their only thunder by being first and as good...

oh yeah, i'm getting the 330i with PP for now.. i'll wait for the next gen of both the STi and Evo.

peace.