I bet the MR will be announced.....
Originally Posted by bahamut
Have you look at the stats on truck sales? Who gets most of the gov't contracts? Both GM and Ford add that to their stats.
Show me how Nissan is pounding the daylights out of their competition. Quarterly sales DO NOT show the overall picture of how many domestic trucks on the road in both private and public sector.
You go wave the "domestic truck sales" are dying. You're only fooling yourself. Toyo had done it, because they have surpassed Ford in the #2 global sales race, and Ford has been market savvy and streamlining for the longest of time.
BTW, ALL brands advertise their trucks as "tough."
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You don't understand the art of marketing. All companies have their calling cards in their ads. If you can't tell their stylistic difference, you have pigeon-holed yourself.
Show me how Nissan is pounding the daylights out of their competition. Quarterly sales DO NOT show the overall picture of how many domestic trucks on the road in both private and public sector.
You go wave the "domestic truck sales" are dying. You're only fooling yourself. Toyo had done it, because they have surpassed Ford in the #2 global sales race, and Ford has been market savvy and streamlining for the longest of time.
BTW, ALL brands advertise their trucks as "tough."
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You don't understand the art of marketing. All companies have their calling cards in their ads. If you can't tell their stylistic difference, you have pigeon-holed yourself.
I am talking retail sales. I work for Nissan North America. Again, what makes you think that contracts will be broken and renewed in the SUPER early stages of a product's life cycle? Of COURSE domestics still have govt contracts, etc. Dude, come on. Look a little further into it and understand the WHY rather than just the what. Believe me, I'm not waving a "flag." My father is in the car business and owns Chevy, GMC, Nissan, VW, Chrysler, Ford, etc, etc dealerships. I want them all to do well (at least where my father has stores
)!!Also, to say I don't understand marketing is like saying you don't know where the "M" is on your keyboard. Marketing is my life, friend. I am speaking in general terms for a generally general audience on an Evolution web site. All of the brands allude to strength in truck ads because that's what Americans want to hear. Of course they all try to differentiate themselves, but they all have the same bottom line. I have yet to see a commercial for ANY truck to the tune of "I Feel Pretty" (Anger Management reference).
Originally Posted by pjork-master
no.
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any car guy knows, that when you sell cars your home market sustains you, but the US market makes you profits... not Europe. instead of getting the MR here 4months ago, they release FQ versions in England, and then 100 specialty FQ-400s. huh? i'm pining to get a car for 9mnths, and England has 5 iterations of it available?
and making the FQ-400 is no small labor of love... definitely took resources that are scarce. hell, they out ralliart into the mix.
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any car guy knows, that when you sell cars your home market sustains you, but the US market makes you profits... not Europe. instead of getting the MR here 4months ago, they release FQ versions in England, and then 100 specialty FQ-400s. huh? i'm pining to get a car for 9mnths, and England has 5 iterations of it available?
and making the FQ-400 is no small labor of love... definitely took resources that are scarce. hell, they out ralliart into the mix.
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- All MRs are gray market in the UK. They come in under the SVA (Single Vehicle Approval). Only the Evo 260 has the full approval for sale in the UK and EU. Basically all Colt Car Company (the UK Mitsu sales agent) does is import a JDM GSR with a cold weather package and submit it for test.
- Mitsu has no involvement in the FQ series. They are commissioned again by the Colt Car Company and installed after the SVA tests are complete. Owen Development did the tuning and another tuner builds the engines.
- The US is now the second largest Evo market. The reason that England gets them so early on is that they do not have to go through many tests to bring a car into that market.
- What amazed me at the time the VIIIs were released was that we got the car before the UK did. That shows commitment to our market. BTW we got all the LHD VIIIIs produced.
- As far as I know the FQs took little if any factory development time.
Last edited by erikgj; Sep 24, 2004 at 09:37 PM.
Originally Posted by pjork-master
true, but remember, england had the MR 6mnths ago. instead of tooling for an '04 run, they should have invested in USDM LHD tooling for the '05 Evos and MR and start cranking out '05s and MRs.
the car really should have been here, and honestly, they should have basically released just MRs, with two trim levels, RS and GSR and that's it. it would have lowered costs for the final units, have the RS undercut the STi by several grand and the MR GSR at the STi price. they could have had the blacked out lights and the higher lever interior.
this was completely poor planning by mitsu. what worries me, is that 1000 units are too be built and the company is racing against the clock to get them out now... i'm not certain about the reliability at this point... time will tell.
and the sti 2.5 motor is pretty well built... the euro 2.5sti is awesome. and subaru could easily bring the spec-c with the 2.5. the car will pass emissions, the only thing holding up the 2.0.
but i have a theory that it's a gentleman's agreement between Subaru and Mitsu (maybe Japan) not to trump Mitsu at this time while the company is trying to financially recover. not unusual for the japanese to say the least...
got to love the honor thing... we need more in the states.
peace and GO PACKERS.
the car really should have been here, and honestly, they should have basically released just MRs, with two trim levels, RS and GSR and that's it. it would have lowered costs for the final units, have the RS undercut the STi by several grand and the MR GSR at the STi price. they could have had the blacked out lights and the higher lever interior.
this was completely poor planning by mitsu. what worries me, is that 1000 units are too be built and the company is racing against the clock to get them out now... i'm not certain about the reliability at this point... time will tell.
and the sti 2.5 motor is pretty well built... the euro 2.5sti is awesome. and subaru could easily bring the spec-c with the 2.5. the car will pass emissions, the only thing holding up the 2.0.
but i have a theory that it's a gentleman's agreement between Subaru and Mitsu (maybe Japan) not to trump Mitsu at this time while the company is trying to financially recover. not unusual for the japanese to say the least...
got to love the honor thing... we need more in the states.
peace and GO PACKERS.
It should be easy to do for Subaru, but they refuse to sell lively handling cars in the US. So what does that say about their commitment to the US STi market?
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Originally Posted by pjork-master
dude, go read something other than motorweek. and stop being personal.
I consult several sources, that's why its so easy to see through all your conjecture that you keep touting as fact.I'm glad to see that we are getting a truck, but I thought it was going to be a very specialized one for a particular market. As in young and active, or stylish. Kinda of like the image the Xterra or X-Runner or even the old Chevy S-10 Xtreme protrays. They sure aren't trying to hide the fact they're going after gen X'ers are they? But according to my GM, who saw it personally a couple of days said the Raider loocked more like a conventional pickup and not as radical as the prototype suggested.
I don't think the domestics have much to worry about for a while yet though. The top three selling vehicles last year (and this year so far) are
1. Ford F-Series
2. Chevy Silverado
3. Dodge Ram
No foreign pickups in the top ten yet. As far as small pickups go, well then that's a different story. Tacoma 4wds are legendary even amongst the good ole boys down here, it will be interesting to see how our truck will fit in with its industry leading warranty and Dodge roots.
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Originally Posted by bahamut
Some of you guys make it sound like the MR is/will be the sole savior of Mitsu. Their bread and butter cars are the eclipses/galants and regular lancers.
Look at Ford. How are they constantly selling bread and butter cars like the past Taurases, Escorts, Tempos, Foci, and etc? It's like saying Ford needs to sell a bunch of 'stang GT's and Cobra to survive in the market place.
Mitsu made a tactical error in making a truck platform, even w/ Chrysler's help. Look at the demographics . . . are those buyers willing to even look at import trucks? Nissan is floundering. Honda doesn't dare to step into the ring. As for Toyo, they were smart to adverstise their trucks as tough. You can see their tv ads looking slick and closely similar to chevy marketing style. Then, look at the step child in the Mazda trucks.
Look at Ford. How are they constantly selling bread and butter cars like the past Taurases, Escorts, Tempos, Foci, and etc? It's like saying Ford needs to sell a bunch of 'stang GT's and Cobra to survive in the market place.
Mitsu made a tactical error in making a truck platform, even w/ Chrysler's help. Look at the demographics . . . are those buyers willing to even look at import trucks? Nissan is floundering. Honda doesn't dare to step into the ring. As for Toyo, they were smart to adverstise their trucks as tough. You can see their tv ads looking slick and closely similar to chevy marketing style. Then, look at the step child in the Mazda trucks.
Sorry guys,
This is the best I could do...
2005 LANCER EVOLUTION MR 17
2005 LANCER EVOLUTION RS 4
2005 LANCER EVOLUTION VIII 12
PRICELINE G = MR
PRICELINE A = RS
PRICELINE B = VIII
Shipment Information
Still a few left for reservation @ MSRP. I'll be out of town for about a week. If you're interested, ask for Joe Hill. He'll take care of you.
Robert Evans
Internet Manager
Santa Monica Mitsubishi
This is the best I could do...
2005 LANCER EVOLUTION MR 17
2005 LANCER EVOLUTION RS 4
2005 LANCER EVOLUTION VIII 12
PRICELINE G = MR
PRICELINE A = RS
PRICELINE B = VIII
Shipment Information
Still a few left for reservation @ MSRP. I'll be out of town for about a week. If you're interested, ask for Joe Hill. He'll take care of you.
Robert Evans
Internet Manager
Santa Monica Mitsubishi
Originally Posted by GPTourer
It does not matter that it took professional drivers to prove one car was better then the other. Winning's winning. YOU know this and I know this. For all the bench racers, mar racers, ricers, auto X people, drag people, sunday cruisers, it all boils down to hard numbers and bragging rights. People still choose other cars for their own personal preferences, but it doesn't make one car better or worse, just better for that individual.
I don't know why Mitsu is waiting, they just are - they have their reasoning its their peroggative, they don't owe YOU, me or anyone here anything, or any set time. You act as if you've got a signed contract with money tied up. Who sez it has to come out on ANY OF OUR timeframes? It'll be here when it gets here. Its not going to make or break Mitsu just because YOU can't wait and have to have a car RIGHT NOW, we'll all get over it too. Go get your STi and have fun on NASIOC.
Peace.
I don't know why Mitsu is waiting, they just are - they have their reasoning its their peroggative, they don't owe YOU, me or anyone here anything, or any set time. You act as if you've got a signed contract with money tied up. Who sez it has to come out on ANY OF OUR timeframes? It'll be here when it gets here. Its not going to make or break Mitsu just because YOU can't wait and have to have a car RIGHT NOW, we'll all get over it too. Go get your STi and have fun on NASIOC.
Peace.
I agree that Mitsu needs all the customers it can get right at the moment. But!, an Evo here and there is not going to make or break them as a company. This car, like stated 1000's of times before, is an image car. It builds interest from the public when they see it goin down the road or sitting in a parking lot. It is made to get people on the Mitsubishi lot. To look at a car they can really afford. Not to **** anyone off but many people either can't afford this car because of their age, or their financial status. And if they have the money, unless you know what the Evo is all about, these people will go buy a higher end car(BMW, Porsche).
The Evo will sell regardless if people have a problem with the company because of what the car is. But the Evo is not a pofit builder by any means just by itself. The Galant, Lancer, Endeavor, and outlander are their bread and butter cars. They need to sell alot of these! To make things go their way.
The Evo will sell regardless if people have a problem with the company because of what the car is. But the Evo is not a pofit builder by any means just by itself. The Galant, Lancer, Endeavor, and outlander are their bread and butter cars. They need to sell alot of these! To make things go their way.
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Has anyone bothered to think that the car is being held off because of fascios like the clutch issue or knock issues. The last thing Mitsu needs is their "image" car to be known as a problem child with it only being 2 years old. If you have to wait 5 months for a 05 but have 1/2 of the issues us 03 owners have then be happy otherwise do what everyone else does when they don't get something when its due. wait
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