anyone running MicroTech? These are very nice systems and very reasonable.

 

Microtech???

 

http://www.microtechefi.com
we use them on rotaries with great results.

 

We use them on Mazda's... I teach people over the phone how to tune their car in about 1-2 hours... and they drive on their own from there... and that is people with NO tuning experience... so it is great from that standpoint. Very affordable systems and they work great. I haven't done any evo's, and I"m not setup as a vendor on here, so I won't offer anything other than being available to answer questions or teach if you went iwth one... they are great... My next tune should settle us out as getting the most horse per psi on modded 2.0L Protege's over Haltech, piggy's, and AEM. We are on par, and more driveable as is. (My last dyno was 261 whp, at 13 psi, in 101 degree ambient.).

 

one word


MoTeC

 

I hate to ***** my own parts out but I feel I might be able to help you I'm currently selling my Microtech LT-8 standalone. And I am selling it at a more than fair price.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1367931

I'm asking $800.00 shipped or best offer

 

Yeah if you want to spend 2-3 times as much for nothing extra really... From what I found their bottom basement M4 unit is like 2000 dollars in and of itself.. and that's their entry level unit.

 

oh yea wide band lamda control ,traction control, boost control, data logging and anti lag arent worth having

i know its expensive but its worth it

 

that isn't on the M4 unit... you have to add additional "advanced tuning options" which drive the price up near 3K (base price is about 2500).

Traction control is simply the system cutting horsepower... nothing like the advanced traction control systems that modulate brakes and differentials to re-distribute power... they are simply cutting timing and other items back to reduce engine output to prevent traction issues... so if your goal is to put out less power... knock yourself out..

Anti-lag can also be tuned with certain methods of alteration of your fuel and timing to improve turbo spool up among other things... and they don't have that on the M4 either....

(and the next unit up.. the M48 at the basic level without traction control etc starts around 2800... yehaaa... )

The Microtech's also carry an option for wideband display and logging.. and the M4 Motec at it's base price of 2500+ from what I saw only can do minor closed loop narrowband control for emissions.

So considering you can achiever far greater results for less than half the money I'd say it is a complete waste indeed.

The pricing is what I could find in some simple searches.. there may be cheaper alternatives out there for getting them.. but that seemed consistent when I searched more.

 

you need to get the advanced tuning for all the good stuff and/or get a M48
1 thats how all traction control works (retard timing till traction resumes, then full timing)
2. anti lag cant be as finely controled as motec (based on egt, time or a button)
3. motec has a full wbo2 map which controls the entire fuel map with a wbo2 and can do narrow band
4. motecs datalogging is also second to none
5. motec is very easy to use, all factory sensors and such
look at their website and see all the Professional racers using their product
im just talking from experience, im sure others are good but motec is hard to beat short of oem

 

standalone, try Hydra.

 

I know they are good, and I don't contest that at all... my point was the cost benefit isn't there for the average tuner and club racer.

Yes, all traction control on aftermarket EMS's works via retarding timing etc... however GOOD traction control like iDrive and others that are factory versions, use brake modulation as well as electronic differentials in some cases to do it. Some cheaper versions do also use timing control as well, but in general factory traction control isn't comparable to retarded timing based control due to how advanced the modern systems are.

Haltech and several others can also do WBO2 closed loop control... and are far cheaper.

Good systems no doubt as I said... just the cost is prohibitive for the marginal overall improvement you are getting... Certain applications it is a great way to go... but for 99% of the people on this forum they'd be happier and better off with something simpler that THEY can tune easily rather than fighting with extra features and the like that add complexity to what they are trying to do.

 

I haven't seen one in person, but they look to be decent units from what I've heard as well... and I think the cost is a good bit more reasonable than the Motec... I think the price runs around the same as the AEM.

 

I use the Vishnu Xede. I am quite happy with it. In the Pittsburgh area I seem to be the only EVO (that I have run into) that uses it. I seem to be faster than other EVO's with the same basic mods. If you are planning staged upgrades...and we know most people just keep putting more $$$$ into their cars....because we love the SPEED.....you should think about something you can modify down the road.

The other reason I went with the Xede is I didn't want my car being down for a few days while I waited for the ECU to be flashed. It took me about an hour to install my Xede...and that's because I am a novice mechanic.

 

do you tune it yourself at all? That is one of the big reasons I work with Microtech for my Mazda guys... without question it is one of the easiest EMS's to learn to tune. I can teach people in a couple hours how to tune their own car and then they never need to pay for a tuner and they can always make their own adjustments...