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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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Came across a post a little while back, I think the problem is you are sourceing off of the bov house which is not a stable source of vacume / boost. If you can find a dedicated source give that a shot.

Don't recal the post right now but it was in the engine turbo drivetrain section.
Holy cow I didn't even catch that.. I had tons of issues when my boost control was tapped off the DV line.. Ended up not getting enough signal to the DV which resulted in it blowing open as duty cycle increased..

Also, on my GT35r, I decided to use a simpler setup for boost control according to recommendation of Dave Buschur, which was to run a boost source off the turbo (actually at the outlet on the LICP elbow) and run it to the inside nipple of the wastegate.. Basically the simplified way the guys with MBC's and the stock Actuator.. Seems to hold real stable.. I was reluctant to do it the way its documented in the Apexi AVC-R Boost controller for an external wastegate and stuck with what worked for me in the past.. Maybe that can help too..
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Old Jul 10, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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Here is the summation of the post i was thinking about:
Edit: I was just looking at your pictures. Source the MBC air supply from a different place than your BOV. When air is bled out to your wastegate from that line by your MBC, it creates a pressure differential between the top and bottom of the BOV letting it open. Basically you are having the opposite of compressor surge. Your BOV is opening too easily as opposed to not easily enough. This is why lowering the boost to close to the pressure threshold of the WGA spring helps get rid of this problem. When the system is closed such that no air is making it to the WGA, your BOV is equalized. However, the more pressure that builds, the more the valve tries to hold the wastegate open, the more air is bled away from your BOV, and the less pressure it has holding the valve closed. Then when the wastegate opens, less pressure is made by the turbo, so less pressure is pushing the BOV open, so then the air can start going to your engine again, which makes more boost, repeat repeat etc. However, as boost comes on even harder, the manifold pressure is high enough to supply that little line with enough pressure to hold your WGA open and keep the BOV pressurized, not to mention the WGA pressure is not fluctuating as much as it was during transient boost levels, and is now holding steady, so there is less need to vent air back through the MBC while opening-closing-opening the wastegate. Remember at part throttle the throttle body butterfly is slightly closed so as the engine revs there is likely to be fluctuations in the pressure differential of the air on either side of it.

Hope that helps!

Edit #2: If what I said above isn't obvious, here is what I recommend you do:
Run a dedicated line from the Intake Manifold to your BOV with no T.
Run a line T'd off of another line running off the intake manifold to your MBC, or drill a nipple into your lower intercooler pipe and use that air supply.
Problem solved.
so it is not that the dv line is a bad source, it is that the dv line gets "poluted" by the boost controller, though I'm not sure if your ebc would bleed off like and mbc....

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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 10:23 AM
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I appreciate the help guys.
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Old Jul 11, 2006 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by KevOVIII
I appreciate the help guys.

Have you got it sorted out yet?
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mad_VIII
Have you got it sorted out yet?
Unfortunately, no. Did a 3rd gear pull but didn't feel the sputter, then shifted into 4th and went up to 6k without a hitch. However, the log showed the Hz was erratic in the same around (around 5k in 3rd gear) but was smooth in 4th.

Did one more run in 5th and the sputtering was noticeable.

I did tee the line off the boost hose from the turbo though.
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Old Jul 12, 2006 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MalibuJack
Also, on my GT35r, I decided to use a simpler setup for boost control according to recommendation of Dave Buschur, which was to run a boost source off the turbo (actually at the outlet on the LICP elbow) and run it to the inside nipple of the wastegate.. Basically the simplified way the guys with MBC's and the stock Actuator.. Seems to hold real stable.. I was reluctant to do it the way its documented in the Apexi AVC-R Boost controller for an external wastegate and stuck with what worked for me in the past.. Maybe that can help too..
Hmmm... this is sounds interesting. So instead of running another hose to the top of the WG, you just hooked up the TiAL like you would the stock actuator?

Boost hose from turbo ---> IN on solenoid
OUT on solenoid ---> lower nipped of TiAL

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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by KevOVIII
Hmmm... this is sounds interesting. So instead of running another hose to the top of the WG, you just hooked up the TiAL like you would the stock actuator?

Boost hose from turbo ---> IN on solenoid
OUT on solenoid ---> lower nipped of TiAL

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Yep, so far this has worked.. I think if you run really high boost you need the assist of the top nipple to keep the wastegate closed...
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 07:37 AM
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Try this.. This is a bleed configuration that uses the bled signal to assist the wastegate...
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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Thanks for the image, Jack. The left set up on the left side didn't work for me so I'll have to try your way.
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Old Jul 13, 2006 | 01:47 PM
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if your maf honeycomb screen still intact?
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