Need help with no start
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Need help with no start
So trying to finish up my build and I have an issue and I for the life of me can figure it out. So I installed a set of IGN-1A coils from OHM Racing, wired up just like directions say to install ign wire to pin 13a on the Haltech figured id be good to go, no start. Ok maybe I hooked up something wrong. I have gone over this car head to toe for the last week or so and I for the life of me cannot figure it out. I have all the coil wires going to the correct pins in the Haltech. Coil 1 goes to A3, coil 2 to pin a4, coil 3 to pin a5, coil 4 to pin a6. I have ground running from my neg bat cable to the fuse box as stated in directions, 12v from the batter to the other side, and grounded coil side to the head itself. I am starting to think it is something in the Haltech itself.
I had to switch around a couple settings from the old map to fix the ign to make it work. I went from wasted spark to direct fire, and have my power switch to connect with pin a13 to give the coils juice. I don't know what else to do. I am trying to get the car running so I can at least take it to the shootout and enjoy my time in it before I go get it tuned. I need to just start over but cash right now isn't there. One thing I did notice I did not have any spark the other day. I swapped out my 2500 out of my stealth loaded the map and same problem no start no spark. I will upload my map and maybe someone who knows Haltech better then I do can take a look at it and maybe find something I am not seeing. Ok will not let me upload the file if anyone can help and pm me your email addy and I will send it to you.
Oh one more thing I need calibration for an Omni 5 bar. The card I got with the sensor I put whatever it said in and automatically said I had 19 lbs of boost at idle so something isn't right.
I had to switch around a couple settings from the old map to fix the ign to make it work. I went from wasted spark to direct fire, and have my power switch to connect with pin a13 to give the coils juice. I don't know what else to do. I am trying to get the car running so I can at least take it to the shootout and enjoy my time in it before I go get it tuned. I need to just start over but cash right now isn't there. One thing I did notice I did not have any spark the other day. I swapped out my 2500 out of my stealth loaded the map and same problem no start no spark. I will upload my map and maybe someone who knows Haltech better then I do can take a look at it and maybe find something I am not seeing. Ok will not let me upload the file if anyone can help and pm me your email addy and I will send it to you.
Oh one more thing I need calibration for an Omni 5 bar. The card I got with the sensor I put whatever it said in and automatically said I had 19 lbs of boost at idle so something isn't right.
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A little update on this. After doing some poking around with the Haltech I noticed they my iat was reading 9 degrees and my tps sensor was at 100%. Unplug the sensors and look iat reads 5.3v so I trace it back and ground is to the sensor ground in the oem harness wtf. Haltech has all kinda inputs for ground and you tap into the damn stock harness. So anyways idk what to do here. I am not sure why the sensors are reading the way they are being this car did run not long ago and the only changes made to the car were this ignition system. Should I go out and get new sensors and hope for the best or should I try and track down what may be causing this.
A good start prob would be a new battery. This battery has died on me a while ago and has been charged back up a few times. Battery is a pc925 yeah go figure an Odyssey battery that can't keep a charge after sitting longer then a week right. So with this said what do you guys thinkI should do?
A good start prob would be a new battery. This battery has died on me a while ago and has been charged back up a few times. Battery is a pc925 yeah go figure an Odyssey battery that can't keep a charge after sitting longer then a week right. So with this said what do you guys thinkI should do?
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Sorry yes I didn't specify I am on a Haltech patch harness. No the car right now is on my old tune for now. I am trying to get it running so I can load it onto my trailer to get to the tuner. This car ran a month ago on this tune with this setup minus the ignition setup and with a Sparktech non cdi unit on the car. Other then that nothing in the car has changed other then the Haltech coils. I will be ordering a new battery come Friday and that will take car of one of my needs and hopefully fix the other issue although I have my doubts. This car has sat for a few weeks being I have been stupid busy at work and haven't had time to work on it. Now I have some free time I went back and now I have all these issues. With that said I am going to think the battery is the culprit here but seems highly unlikely but I haven't touched anything else on the car for it to act up like this.
haha. you could put the old coils back on and revert to wasted spark see if it runs.
i just played with the esp, when i switched to sequential fire, it looks like a3 and a4 were assigned for other outputs (fan & boost control), did you reassign them?
the ign a13 is only an ign signal, no need to do anything special to it. the coils are drawing power from the "fuse box" thru the battery directly. not from here.
other than that, it should work
oh and i assume you also adjusted the dwell? 4.5ms@14v i think
i just played with the esp, when i switched to sequential fire, it looks like a3 and a4 were assigned for other outputs (fan & boost control), did you reassign them?
the ign a13 is only an ign signal, no need to do anything special to it. the coils are drawing power from the "fuse box" thru the battery directly. not from here.
other than that, it should work

oh and i assume you also adjusted the dwell? 4.5ms@14v i think
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haha. you could put the old coils back on and revert to wasted spark see if it runs.
i just played with the esp, when i switched to sequential fire, it looks like a3 and a4 were assigned for other outputs (fan & boost control), did you reassign them?
the ign a13 is only an ign signal, no need to do anything special to it. the coils are drawing power from the "fuse box" thru the battery directly. not from here.
other than that, it should work
oh and i assume you also adjusted the dwell? 4.5ms@14v i think
i just played with the esp, when i switched to sequential fire, it looks like a3 and a4 were assigned for other outputs (fan & boost control), did you reassign them?
the ign a13 is only an ign signal, no need to do anything special to it. the coils are drawing power from the "fuse box" thru the battery directly. not from here.
other than that, it should work

oh and i assume you also adjusted the dwell? 4.5ms@14v i think
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Ok update on this situation. I have not verified everything is correctly wired yet but I believe it is. I am not getting any power to the coils at all. The a13 pin is not getting power to the fuse/relay box itself and I believe that is the issue. I have a13 turned on but not getting the 12v to it to turn on the relays. I have 12v to the fuses, I have 12v to the relays on the power side. I don't have very little power 157mv to signal wire to the relays which isn't kicking them on. So now what? Anyone have any ideas??
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So today I looked at some stuff on the car today and I was thinking to myself there has to be something I am missing. Idk if this is a cause of the problems but I did find that my ign relay under the dash seems to be faulty. I tested it with an ohm meter and yep 134 ohms when limit for a relay is 50 to 120 ohms. Yep seems to be that the relay is bad. Go to carquest 44 bucks for the same damn relay wtf. I will get it tomorrow and see if I can get some voltage to my stuff. I will keep everyone updated.
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Update:
Well I think I have it all figured out now and I got tired of chasing pins on the Haltech so I wired the coils straight into the fuse box. I got all that done and still no start. Ok so lets figure this out grab the laptop plug it in and now I have no ecu. Talk about deflated, Idk if the Haltech is fried or if its something like MPI fuse which I believe is fuse 8 or what. I did check all the fuses before hand and they were all good but never hurts to check again. Will have another update here soon.
Well I think I have it all figured out now and I got tired of chasing pins on the Haltech so I wired the coils straight into the fuse box. I got all that done and still no start. Ok so lets figure this out grab the laptop plug it in and now I have no ecu. Talk about deflated, Idk if the Haltech is fried or if its something like MPI fuse which I believe is fuse 8 or what. I did check all the fuses before hand and they were all good but never hurts to check again. Will have another update here soon.
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Well is seems I fell victim of cylinder wash. I now have power to the coils and I have plenty of fuel but car still wont start. So last night I was like compression test time. Yeah not good. Mind you this motor has just under 7k miles on it but it came down to 90/60/85/30 and battery went dead on the last so I didn't get a full turn over. Pretty low for having high compression then I started thinking hey dummy you washed your cylinders either that or my rings are stuck in the pistons and aren't seating against the walls. I put a little oil in each cylinder to lube things up and will let it coat the walls. I will see what I can figure out after work but I believe that is the issue right now. I wont be home this weekend so I will have to update monday after work.
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Ok so I thought I would update this being it has been a bit. I have compression, I have spark and I have fuel but I have no start. I have been messing with the trigger offset some to see if I can get it to fire at a different angle but to no avail. I did have some success in getting it to actually fire but it was odd it ran for like 5 seconds and died but I think it was due to my tps not being adjusted correctly. I have been back and forth on what to do and I am just so tired and idk what to do at this point. I know I am probably hydro locking the engine being I killed the starter and you can hear it and it is acting like it.
At this point I need a tune and unfortunately no one wants to tune this car. I have been in contact with 5 different tuners here in Michigan and no one will touch it. Only person I can get a hold of is Whalen speed. I would like them to tune it and have asked for a base map and some help getting it started so I can at least get it running right and ready for the dyno but like a lot of shops they are busy. Its like someone please take my money lol.
At this point I need a tune and unfortunately no one wants to tune this car. I have been in contact with 5 different tuners here in Michigan and no one will touch it. Only person I can get a hold of is Whalen speed. I would like them to tune it and have asked for a base map and some help getting it started so I can at least get it running right and ready for the dyno but like a lot of shops they are busy. Its like someone please take my money lol.
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