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Old Aug 17, 2004 | 12:57 PM
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Question UTEC idea...may be far fetched. mmmmm

We have the technology, so I would wonder if the UTEC can be programmed with artificial intelligence to automatically detect changes to your car and remap the maps based on your input. Example would be an area to enter 20psi for boost. The cpu would then calibrate your system to run 20psi. Or A/F ratios, enter 11:1 or whatever at each rpm level or set it through the entire power band. I dunno, but I'd tell you that it would take all the guess work out of tuning if we could just enter values based on boost and A/F ratios. Timing would be more difficult unless the CPU recognizes to attain optimum performance before knocking. I dunno just wishful thinking.
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Old Aug 17, 2004 | 01:19 PM
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Then before you know it we'll be in these huge fields of human batteries being inserted into the matrix. Hehe

I like the idea but AI has got to be super expensive.
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Old Aug 17, 2004 | 01:26 PM
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Well depending on how much its costs and being mass produced to take the edge off a bit, I would be willing to pay for it. Never have to tune. Geez what a hard-*n
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Old Aug 17, 2004 | 01:28 PM
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Well, I don't know if its possible with the UTEC, but there are several standalones out there that use an automap feature... IT requires a dedicated wideband connection for the time your mapping, and would need to be refined.

Closed loop boost control on the UTEC actually does work that way though, but it uses the digital value for the boost level as opposed to gauge value.. so if you say you want to hit 20psi (whatever its digital value is) in your map, thats roughly what you'll get..

Fuel/timing is a little different.. The reason fuel/timing maps are used in place of dynamic fuel control in most ECU's is performance, your only now seeing engine management systems that are capable of performing all the calculations required to provide a safe "closed loop" dynamically changing tune..

This is not something that cannot be done.. But in our case would require external software to analyze our logs and generate maps for it.. Its just not something that can be done in real time in most ECU's right now.
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Old Aug 17, 2004 | 01:33 PM
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Well, I don't know if its possible with the UTEC, but there are several standalones out there that use an automap feature... IT requires a dedicated wideband connection for the time your mapping, and would need to be refined.

Closed loop boost control on the UTEC actually does work that way though, but it uses the digital value for the boost level as opposed to gauge value.. so if you say you want to hit 20psi (whatever its digital value is) in your map, thats roughly what you'll get..

Fuel/timing is a little different.. The reason fuel/timing maps are used in place of dynamic fuel control in most ECU's is performance, your only now seeing engine management systems that are capable of performing all the calculations required to provide a safe "closed loop" dynamically changing tune..

This is not something that cannot be done.. But in our case would require external software to analyze our logs and generate maps for it.. Its just not something that can be done in real time in most ECU's right now.
Hey Malibu,
Here's the deal. If I had a MalibuJack in Tampa, I could care less about the AI. You know your stuff and I know I have a had a few go arounds with you on the board on how this UTEC works but either my brain says we're not having it or I just dont have the energy to learn this thing. It's all too confusing for me. I dont want to fudge things up.
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Old Aug 18, 2004 | 08:52 PM
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LOL The truth is, its alot of information to digest.. The best advice I can give you is look at a website called www.howstuffworks.com

Look up information about ignition timing, Fuel injection, turbochargers, carburetors.. Once that information "clicks" (See another post of mine for a tuning primer that explains the shooting at a moving target.. that closely resembles how ignition timing theory works)

Anyway, like I said, once the basics click, everything else begins to make more sense..

I can TOTALLY Relate to the brain-lock and just not absorbing things, it just takes time, some learn by example, so you will catch onto it over time.
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 06:02 AM
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OK I'll try that but I'll probably be bugging ya again.
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 06:20 AM
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I think Utec is going to have a autotune function based on there protuner. But I think it's only going to be geared to A/Fs not timing.
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Old Aug 19, 2004 | 08:17 AM
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Its possible, I haven't seen it yet..
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Old Aug 20, 2004 | 06:33 PM
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goodie goodie... something I might be able to do?!? J/K I'm still ignorant. =(
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