if i were to hook up my lancer with the 2g gsx turbo, wut kind of HP would i be putting down??

it will be all custom obviously, and wit a 2.5" cat-back exhaust and a hi-flo cat.

what kind of HP #'s u think this would be?

i was talkin to my bro, and he custom fab'd a turbo for his 88 prelude and said he could do the same for me for like $1k

so i was just wondering what kind of hp #'s i'd have...i read on the Image Works lancer that they used the 2g DSM Turbo and had 170whp...

would it be better to maybe get a t28 or t3 turbo?? I only really want like low 14's, enough for me =) but maybe high 13's like Boes...wut turbo would be best?? i'm also an Auto, and there probably won't be an intercooler, so just 5-6psi probably.

thanks for all the help guys

 

well your going to be spending a ton more than 1k, ur forgetting fuel upgrades, piping, manifold.. like i said before your going to need a ton of misc parts so be prepared to buy alot of vaccum lines and t's and clamps etc. etc. either way you look at it your going to be spending 2.5k+

 

if i buy those silicone vacuum lines from RRM would they work? or do i need entirely different ones?

 

JVlancer is right about all the Misc. parts, but you can do it a lot less than 2.5K. If you need help with DSM related parts just PM me.

 

It is gonna be really hard to tell what kind of power you would be making. You would have to throw it up on a dyno for real numbers. There are too many factors involved. I would have to guess since you are doing this yourself tho around maybe 150. That is far from being a 14s car . The t25 can get you to you goals easily tho. Do you have the turbo yet? If you dont a turbo eclipse is just that a turbo eclipse it doesnt have to come off of a GSX. That just desinates it as AWD. GST/GSX have the same engine. Good place to look for these turbo cheap is on dsmtrader.com You'll find a ton on the site.

 

yeah im aware GSX just means AWD Turbo...i could use the GS-T or the TSi, just everyone knows wut GSX is

basically, just trying to go about this in a cheap way lol, finding a scrapped DSM and using there Turbo, Fuel Injectors(if they are the 450cc ones with the blue top), Fuel Pump...you get the idea.

but if i can't reach at least mid 14's on the DSM Turbo....i guess id rather get a t25 or 28 if i could find them for a reasonable price.

my bro can do all the piping and exhaust manifold himself. so that kind of stuff is not a problem.

i'm hopin we could also do an intercooler, cuz that would kik *** =)

i'd rather spend $1-1.5k on a turbo than a body kit and wing, lol. so im savin all my pennies so i could hopefully do it this summer, or it may have to wait til next summer which would suck...but if it does have to wait....i could buy wheels =) lol

 

depending on how long u need the IC i may be getting an evo IC next month if you still need ill be selling it

 

so after looking at some stuff....heres the plan
2g Parts:
Fuel Injectors
Fuel Pump
1g Parts:
B.O.V. -- unless we have trouble finding one (yeah right lmao)
Other:
T-25 Turbo (or T-28 if we can find one cheap)

Than all i need is the FPR and either FMU or AFC right?

I'm not sure if i need an FMU and an AFC or just one.
So, thats the plan, we'll see what happens. =)

As you can tell....not trying to be the FASTEST lancer, just faster than most other cars out there

450cc Blue Top
390cc Tan top
240cc Orange/pink Top
210cc Light Tan Top
--those are the #'s on the DSM Fuel Injectors....i thought 450cc would be good but everyone else is running like 300 or 330 etc and some DSM'r said 450 might be to much...so i dunno, wut other Injectors could i use?

 

how much would u sell ur FMIC for?

 

depends on how much i buy the evo fmic for... same price as i buy it for proally 200 the person told me. I think hobie is running like 440cc injectors off a wrx or something Im not positive though.

 

i thought hobie blew up his car cuz he wasn't getting enough fuel? has he changed them to the 440cc after it all happened?

JV ur runnin 300cc and is that doin ok? i guess ill try to get the 390cc injectors or ill continue to search for others.

 

like i said in the other post u have to make sure u have the right resistance/impedence I presume he was running the bigger injectors when he went kaput. I cant even tell how my injectors are working lol its not tuned correctly yet.. But they sound nice i can hear them silently clicking away

 

from this here I take it you dont know much about DSM's. The T25 is the stoccker for 2g's be it a turbo Talon or Eclipse. 14b turbo for 1gen: Talon/Laser/Eclipse. A T25 on my car was crap. Then again our cars are two differnt machines. My trouble is it would not hold boost to redline. I woiuldnt be making any more power with it. After 5500rpm that was all she wrote. that sucks cuz my car redlines at 7500rpm. All the puny garret was doin was blowing hot air. For you I think this would be a different story seeing I was pushing 14-15 lbns of boost out of it when you only plan on doing 6. Like I said before you can get a t25 in great condintion for 150 off of dsmtrader. I have one laying around too. They are easy to find.

 

yeah i redline at 6000, and at stock, our hp/torque drops off at 5500, and yeah i plan on 6psi most unless me and my bro can get an intercooler than ill try 7psi to see how it runs.

yeah i found a few t25's for $150 in good condition. my bro knows lots of dsm'rs and can get me lots of stuff that i listed free =) so thats really sweet. im just confused on wut 'electronics' i need to get to adjust the air/fuel as everyone says s-afc and afc's dont work. i was lookin to see if the piggyback from RRM would work but it never says and they only have the non-turbo 5spd out right now...so im not sure.

im sure the t25 once i get a full exhaust will be fine for my needs. yeah i found out the t25 was the 2g's stock turbo, i was thinkin 14b was the stock for 2g's as well...my mistake.

my bro lives out in vegas and knows a lot of people out there so he can get stuff REALLY cheap/free so im hopin this summer we can do it...its basically just getting the MISC. stuff now, but my brother can custom the exhaust manifold and IC piping so the 'expensive' stuff is already done at almost no cost to us

 

i don't think you can use the DSM injectors. they run at a different impedience then the stock lancer injectors and if you don't get it right with a resistor pack then you will lock an injector and will blow your motor.

I believe this is that happened to Hobie's car with his WRX injectors. he had the 440's and he should have gotten more then enough fuel (i had 300cc's and was runnin 8 psi and could still give out more fuel) but i think for some reason the injectors wern't flowing right.

i would call up vision imports and get some stock lancer injectors that are modified to flow more fuel. get some 330cc's and you'll be set. i know you want to keep costs down but you DO NOT wanna get cheap in the fuel area. Also a stock 2g fuel pump won't supply enough fuel pressure either i don't think. i was running about 60psi of fuel with my 300cc injectors and i don't think the stock DSM fuel pump can do that. pick up a walbro 255plh pump...again you don't want to be cheap with fuel.

this is everything you need for fuel:

300+cc injectors that match the impedience of the stock ones

Rising rate fuel pressure regulator

walbro 255plh fuel pump

apexi afc or other fuel controller (yes the AFC does work...i had it on my car..whoever think it doesn't work should be slapped across the face by a pimp)

For the engine/turbo:

Turbo manifold

Turbo

Downpipe

Intake pipes

Oil lines

Coolant lines and T's to tap into the heater core to circulate coolant for the turbo

weld a bong into the oil pan to run the oil return line

New gaskets for the turbo manifold flange, downpipe flange, and compressor inlet and outlet flanges (if you turbo is that kind that had those flanges)

By pass valve NOT a blow off valve. you have to recirculate the air for the MAS or else you will get engine stumbling and stalling (you can get used to it cuz i had a BOV on my car. but it made a noticable difference tho when i changed it to recirculating...lost some lag and had some more power).

oh yeah...and a lot of luck. pretty much everyone that rigged up their own kit had blown their motor. mostly due to fuel problems. so DO NOT go cheap in the fuel area.

EDIT:

Also need to get a boost guage, A/F guage, EGT guage, and a boost controller. just extras that will make it 100% more convienent for you.

also when you get the turbo make sure it had no shaft play. if its a ball bearing turbo its okay if it has slight in and out movement but up and down is bad.