Is there independent proof that a reflash yields 20 WHP? That is a lot of power for just a reflash on a 2 L, NA car. STIs and Evos would struggle to get that kind of power with just a reflash if they couldn't modify the boost maps (as with an NA car). What Rob is saying is that people without the box were saying it was a waste of money or something along those lines, which is false.

 

Works has proven itself to be a decent-well company.if you ever look in the evo section the flashes they produce and the ones that people with the product dyno are very close. the only thing that threw speculation about the product in the first place was the dyno is because they put out 2 different dynos for 2 diff cars, and referred to the gains as 8hp as apposed to 8whp. of course your going to spark an argument. and i think you should discuses the issues or if its worth the price of pumping premium gas into your car for a gain that may only give you 4whp. if that would be the case theres more and better ways to spend your money.

 

this guy is on point. i mostly agree. i think if rock wasnt in this thread trying to tell everyone how good it was, and if it were a discussion with only what we knew about the product and maybe 1 or 2 people who had it. things would be different

 

And RRM has proven itself to be a good Lancer company. Independent dynos are key. Cobb has amazing dynos for its stage 2 products but they don't match real life. I have yet to see an independent dyno for a reflash showing this 20 WHP gain, it just seems to be a number people throw around. Logically speaking, if the Works reflash and the RRM piggyback do the same thing (which they appear to), they should have the same gains. A spelling mistake is a spelling mistake but obviously it is good to double check what is said. If the Works reflash is giving a 20 WHP gain, you can bet it requires premium as well. There is no way you can gain that kind of power without advancing the timing and leaning out the mixture, two things that make good knock resistance vital.

 

Check who started this thread, it was Rob. Technically we're in his thread and I don't see him complaining about all the people who don't have his products or who have never had his products posting "reviews".

 

so let me get this right, a company that will tell you that you'll lose a full second off your 0-60 time from a plastic SRI is a good proven company? like i said before ive seen works flashes with other vehicles and the independent dynos are close to whats advertised. and you cant say a flash and a piggyback are the same thing. if thats the case you would see way more piggybacks for cars than you would flashes. so you cant say they would have the same gains not knowing what the company has done, or drove neither.. a spelling mistake is not dynoing a different car and saying its a lancer and then when people call you out on it say whoops i meant the lancer. or say 8hp 7 times and then when someone points it out its oops i meant 8whp.

back to my first statement if you call a company that'll tell you that and still call it a good proven company go ahead.

 

i dont think anyone that didnt have the product posted a review. there were videos posted of with and without the module and the guy even rev'd less without and still had basically the same time in both runs. that dosent help but make people wonder if its really worth it. you have a wrx why are you lurking around in these forums trying to make a point that has nothing to do with you?

 

lol hes a moderator with useful information, by the way there have been reviews other than that guy with the vids, which arent really worth mentioning given when he was shiftin and what not. he said he will posted better vids + run times when his track opens up.

 

Luda thanks for your arguments, we all love those.
U made yourself clear thru several posts around here, now its getting pretty the same argument over and over, so .....it gets kinda boring.
If u have some beef against RRM, please take it to PM. Or start another thread to tell how u are disapointed and get some backup on that topic from other members, but in this thread, I think u have your point of view well established.
Wait for other reviews to come out or simply dont buy it, u have done your work here and we appreciate it.

 

RRM has been using that statement for some time and I suspect it's just a marketing move. However, I haven't seen Rob say things like that on here, hell, I'm never seen him speculate on power gains. Works is in the same boat, some people may see the advertised results, others won't. I had a Works stage 1 clutch, my brother in-law put it in and was shocked when he saw that this apparently stage 1, aftermarket clutch was identical to the unit he pulled from the car. Could it be that it just looked the same? Sure, but he was fairly convinced that Works was reselling a stock unit. This goes to show that even the "best" companies can have seemingly strange products/behavior. I don't agree with my brother in-law's assessment but he's the trained mechanic.
A flash and a piggyback have the same purpose, to modify the stock tune to gain power. They do it through different means but it's the same end.
There are many members who like RRM and many members who stand by them. I'm not going to say whether I'm one way or another but I think the way in which RRM is being debated makes no sense. Again, 20 WHP for just a flash is nuts. I have a custom tune and a TBE and I maybe made a bit more than 20 WHP. People don't seem to understand that 20 WHP is a big gain, that's wetting yourself big (and no I don't mean peeing yourself).

 

I've been here longer than 2 months, notice the name on the FAQ in the Lancer forum. Anyways, if it's the thread I think it is, there were people without the product posting "reviews" which basically entailed them saying it wasn't worth it. I have no problem with someone saying "it only yields X power but costs Y amount and Z amount in fuel, therefore it's not a cheap upgrade" but to say "it's not worth it" when it does indeed gain power is a bit much.

 

Yeah I'll definitely get that info for the 1/4 mile with and without the module for you guys when the track opens up. Won't be for another month though. This time instead of recording myself I'll just have someone record the my 1/4 run from the stands, that way I can focus on shifting correct.

 

I'm waiting for Rob to call me back on my Timing Module... I think mine is broke... I got a "Service Engine Soon" light after 30 miles of driving with no noticeable increase in power. O2 exhaust sensor in bank 1. I'm a fan of RRM, and I hope this gets fixed. I'll keep you posted when it gets fixed and I'll give you my review.

 

imo the power gained from this module is not dramatic enough to change 1/4 times..esp wen little deviances in track time can be due to human reaction/error time.

Dunno..it made sense in my head..not sure though in writing

 

I believe this module, if effective in a positive way at all will show on your 0 to 60 splits. Other then that, don't believe you will see a difference in any track times.