First off the real dyno sheet is up. Done on a bone stock Lancer. Secondly (in Cali at least) price of 91 octane is 10 cent more than regular. You have a 12 gallon tank which means, you would spend a $1.20 more per full fill up. Come on now. Plus you would get better mileage. If you don't want it just don't buy it but do not knock what you do not understand. Ther are at least 4 reviews already posted. They are all overwhelmingly positive and you have a dyno. Please go out and read before you bahs without knowing. I am not mad but I am a bit defensive when we have really worked on this product for 1/2 a year and refused to release it until we were sure it was off the hook.
GUYS, PLEASE GO READ REVIEWS FROM THOSE WHO HAVE IT!!!! AND LOOK AT THE DYNO SHEET> DECIDE FOR YOURSELF THEN. Thanks

ROAD/RACE

 

I don't don't fret over more per gallon. I'm not scurrd to try new parts. I've already purchased a timing module. I got ur back Rock. Oh and 8 hp for below $250 is a pretty good deal to me. If you're looking for an amazing gains stop looking for the cheap fix and drop 50K into an Eclipse like my buddy did. It only cost him $8 a gallon to drive when gas prices were up and new tires..well..a lot. He has no AC or Heat and he has to put in his passenger seat if you want to ride shotty. He has about 550 hp to the ground. That's what you want? Prepare to pay....

 

Well said. Thanks. BE REAL is WHAT WE PREACH.

ROAD/RACE

 

LOL ohhh man...fun stuff

 

This is probably the best Performance to cost ratio item you can purchase. Few mods will even give you 8hp, and this only cost $240. An exhaust cost alot more and depending on the type will give u alot less power or about the same.

 

It is a lot of bang for the buck.

ROAD/RACE

 

actually an exhaust can give you about 4 at the wheels..about 8 or 9 at the crank(if this is what RRM is going off of)..4whp being the hiighest i've seen dynod for an exhaust on a lancer

not to call you or anyone else out but me personally would like to wait from an experienced tuner or someone who knows well what they are talking about like evosoul for example. hes not bias and will tell you if the product is good or worth it or not. like i said im not bashing RRMs product or anyone who has reviewed it but the truth of the matter is a lot of the lancer community are a bunch of teenagers who have little to no tuning experience at all. or someone who has came from an even less powerful car than the lancers now. not saying thats a bad thing because we all need to start somwhere i just cant justify taking someone who has their first car telling me how you can certainly "feel the power and pulls" with 8hp, wheels or not. like i said some guys would probably claim gains if the device was shipped defective.

i know there are others other than evosoul who know how to test and give good judgment and are experienced, but i have noticed mostly his reviews and such to be most accurate on these forums

 

You do have a valid point. I've noticed the same things you have, but anyone who knows about tuning will tell you that advancing the timing on a car is always an improvement. Evo_Soul already said that "I honestly think this will produce 5whp to 8whp. Possibly 10whp with the right bolt ons in there. There can be alot of power yielded from timing advancing and retarding, depending on what your looking for." - 47th post in the link below

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/la...release-4.html

 

Good finding !

 

understood but that is only a prediction i dont think he has his hands on the product yet. which i am waiting for


Iamgod, you are one of the people i mean. if you knew anything about tuning just because theres a dyno means nothing. you ever wonder why theres lancers that may dyno 115 and some others may dyno 123 both stock?diff dynos have different numbers. there was an issue with the first one, not saying i dont trust rock but i rather see the numbers from someone other than the company testing it

 

Ummm....evosoul is a vendor, he's not a tuner and he's really no more experienced than anyone else here. Relying on someone's opinion is itself flawed, remember the "gas pedal sensitizer" thread? If RRM has dynos, they have dynos. If you want more facts, wait until someone buys the piggy and gets it dynoed or dyno it yourself.

 

Ambystom, I dont not regard myself as a Vendor, I was forced to acquire vendor status in order to not violate Evolutionm's rules regarding selling on this forum. I am more or less the founder of the Toronto Lancer Club and attempt to nationalize our car clubs presence on the net by joining ranks with evolutionm.net members. Unfortunately I have to wear two hats here, One I have to attempt to run a club, and I care about my own personal projects and freedoms. But Lately its been difficult to manage the two, but i try anyway.

My opinion is just that, it differs from yours, and everyone else. My previous experience and knowledge of similar types of tunings involving advance / retard timing is a little better then the average bear. And its something that has been proven to make gains. If you were refering to my thoughts on this product, I would have every confidence in Rock's product and in my opinion, I think it can hit the threshold stated. But Rock doesnt need my opinion to bolster his products, he has a reputation to stand on which is nothing but good. I respect "Real Vendors" Especially ones grown from the grass roots and living the real tuning dream. " Sigh, I wish I could open my own shop."

My experience hasn't be fully declared but I will say that I have made and seen plenty of mistakes in terms of tuning, local car club life here in Toronto with the RSXs and Mazdas. Since you brought up " gas pedal sensitizer " I have recently seen better "actual data that you might be interested in. but I will save that for another time in another thread.

Getting back on topic....

Rock keep up the good work!!!

 

No offense was meant, I just think it's somewhat silly to basically refer to someone's opinion as a means of gauging the validity of a part. Facts are where it's at. If someone has dynos, they have dynos, it's that simple. It's perfectly fine to debate the dynos or maybe even ask for other dynos (god knows it's best not to base everything on one bit of information) but to just dismiss them is a bit silly, actively discussing the dynos is far more constructive and does seem to help people understand.
Timing is a tricky beast, advancing is does generally make power but there's the risk of advancing it too much which can be detrimental.
I'm interested in the actual data considering all the data I've seen to this point indicates the product as nothing more than automotive snake oil (the sensitizer, not the piggyback).

 

I could care less what a dyno reads. They are all different anyway. In my book the only thing that counts are results at the track. Some one needs to go to the strip with one of these and make a pass with out it and then with it and post results.

 

that's not exactly the best way either.

perfect example is i went to the drag strip expecting good numbers with my header, intake, piggy, exhaust, and pully ONLY to be spinning my wheels from the turrrible wheel-hop.

My time slips times were read by all and someone said "geez only (insert my time here)??? the headers and piggy are not worth it"

im not gonna try to convince people how to spend their money but the times don't necessarily reflect performance either.

Just sayin....