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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 09:18 AM
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Weird I cant open the file it says its corrupt
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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 12:11 PM
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Weird I cant open the file it says its corrupt
What really? errr did you watch the vid?
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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 05:28 PM
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Hey 03lances try this log here, and this video should help as well:

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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 07:53 PM
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When it's idling, it's at like 15.5 or something, but in closed loop it's supposed to work toward 14.7....which makes me think air is leaking in post-MAF.
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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 08:04 PM
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When it's idling, it's at like 15.5 or something, but in closed loop it's supposed to work toward 14.7....which makes me think air is leaking in post-MAF.

Good point, thats true, but why in open loop does my AFR go lean instead of rich??? Evoscan says its getting richer according to AFRMAP but my wideband goes way lean and im getting knock at 5 PSI even with real low timing around 3-5 advanced timing getting like 8 counts, i think cuz its lean
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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 08:34 PM
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My idle has always done that same thing with the afrs. I think it has something to do with my WB sensor location. I know I am leak free anyways. One thing is all you have to log for load is 1byteload. Dont worry about logging ecuload and especially not loadcalc.

Ok so is this with forced open loop? It looks like its in closed loop in the low loads but actually looks like it went into open loop fine on this pull and went back to closed the moment you let off the throttle. Are you using the stock fpr? Injectors? Have you done a full pull to see if it ever starts to drop down at all?
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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 08:52 PM
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My idle has always done that same thing with the afrs. I think it has something to do with my WB sensor location. I know I am leak free anyways. One thing is all you have to log for load is 1byteload. Dont worry about logging ecuload and especially not loadcalc.

Ok so is this with forced open loop? It looks like its in closed loop in the low loads but actually looks like it went into open loop fine on this pull and went back to closed the moment you let off the throttle. Are you using the stock fpr? Injectors? Have you done a full pull to see if it ever starts to drop down at all?
Stock FPR, Injectors and fuel pump, i know one time i did a WOT pull at 5 PSI before and it was about 74% IDC. But the log i posted up was not forced open loop, i just set the tables real early like all 30. But when i did the forced open loop (the log you couldnt view, not sure why) It was in fact in open loop, i never gor an 02 sensor feedback, it was always at 0% but AFR's on wideband displayed 16.4 at idle and cruising! Ok, ill make sure to only log 1byteload as well. When i do a WOT pull or a 80%+ pull my AFR stay around 17.9 and dont move and i get knock, so i dont want to keep doing WOT pulls if my AFR are that lean kno what i mean? Even with timing as low as 3-5 advanced in boost im getting alot of knock. Is there something in ECUflash i may have reversed around or something? Idk it just seems weird that ecuflash maps are read more fuel at higher loads and RPM's but my wideband is saying at higher RPMS im getting more lean. Im pretty sure the wideband is fine in terms of performance because if i just turn on the car but not start it, it reads 14.7 then slowly makes its way to all the way lean (reading that there is no gas in the exhaust) so i have a feeling its something to do with maybe ECUflash or something?

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Old Nov 6, 2010 | 09:42 PM
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Hmm.. Hey steven did you just change the fuel map?
I have my timing mapI think around 2 degrees at peak torque but thats also at 12 psi. I would have to look at my old maps to see what I was running at 5 psi

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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 03lances
Hmm.. Hey steven did you just change the fuel map?
I have my timing mapI think around 2 degrees at peak torque but thats also at 12 psi. I would have to look at my old maps to see what I was running at 5 psi
Im pretty sure when he re-did my fuel map he didnt change my timing, and he changed the load so i had to re-scale my timing, but right now i have it to where it pulls pretty well at 5 PSI, but i cant tell if its because of knock or because of the extreme lean condition, im thinking its because of the lean condition in open loop that i cant seem to figure out
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 07:21 AM
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Here are my most recent logs today. Now it seems that when i get into open loop my ARF on my wideband drop to about 12.2 or so but then as i accel into boost more it works its way up into 15AFR by the time it gets to 5 psi....do i just need to lower the fuel values in ECUflash?
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 09:07 AM
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I think this is your MAF scaling. Try increasing it at 400, 500, and so forth all the way up. Make it nice and smooth, and have it be about 200 at 1600, maybe all the way to max, but I haven't tried that yet. I am about to flash the following to my car and see how it does. Still, I think it's the same issue I am having. AFRMAP says "lower and richer" but wideband shows higher and leaner. Also, I think about 300 and lower will affect your idle, so don't mess with that. Log airflow and you will see what I'm talking about. I see about 800hz airflow at like, 5psi and 5000 rpm.

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FYI, if you change the MAF scaling values, your AFR's in your fuel map may need to be wildly adjusted because you'll go so rich your wideband won't even meter it. ie, use caution. I have made small adjustments to both tables, but always small and steady. Still, I don't think it will hurt you much to increase your MAF scaling whenever go lean, as far as airflow.

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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 11:54 AM
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When you get a chance Mistukid if you want to send me your rom I want to compare it to these logs, I will pm you
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HornstarBU
I think this is your MAF scaling. Try increasing it at 400, 500, and so forth all the way up. Make it nice and smooth, and have it be about 200 at 1600, maybe all the way to max, but I haven't tried that yet. I am about to flash the following to my car and see how it does. Still, I think it's the same issue I am having. AFRMAP says "lower and richer" but wideband shows higher and leaner. Also, I think about 300 and lower will affect your idle, so don't mess with that. Log airflow and you will see what I'm talking about. I see about 800hz airflow at like, 5psi and 5000 rpm.

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FYI, if you change the MAF scaling values, your AFR's in your fuel map may need to be wildly adjusted because you'll go so rich your wideband won't even meter it. ie, use caution. I have made small adjustments to both tables, but always small and steady. Still, I don't think it will hurt you much to increase your MAF scaling whenever go lean, as far as airflow.
Alright, ill give these settings a shot after work tomorro and let you know, let me know how it turns out for you man, thanks brotha. Also your running the stock lancer MAF right? cuz im using the stock MAF sensor, but ill give these values a try tomorro!

Originally Posted by 03lances
When you get a chance Mistukid if you want to send me your rom I want to compare it to these logs, I will pm you
I just sent you my current ROM and XML im using! Hopefully you can find something in there that looks odd maybe, hornstar brought up a good point about the MAF scaling

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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 09:33 PM
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I think it was your maf settings are you running 501 or the evo maf?

I think you might need to lower or raise your maf settings, im not sure whih one but I think that might be your problem but mine runs lean during idle and when it warms up for a few minutes it goes back to stoich. "this is on a cold start"

Try that because the map isnt bad at all
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Old Nov 8, 2010 | 01:03 AM
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Ok so your Open Loop tables look fine. Your maf scaling seems to be higher all the way through compared to my stock rom idk if you have already changed it though. The scaling that hornstar listed is exact same as my stock. Generally 0-100hz is effective ilding area 125-400hz area effects mainly cruising and 500+ is for WOT and acceleration from what I have read and from my own experiences. You could try to up the maf numbers in that 500+ range. You could just bump them all up like 10 points to see what happens. Definately wont hurt anything as only thing it can do is make it richer.

Looks like I lied too about my airflow hz I see around 1300 max flow right now

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