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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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Raising CR should help negate the low end torque issue. I wonder if the IAC system still works with ITB's though. If not, it must be a real pain trying to get the car to idle. I've also got no experience with TPS based fuel mapping, but I'm told it is both extremely simple and extremely complicated.
Last I heard, the second TB would not open until a specific throttle position.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:05 AM
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That's a peculiar design. I've never seen a sequential TB sustem, just a row of 2 to 4 TB's that all open symultaneously.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:05 AM
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So how's that any different from turbo MAF restriction? The amount of air going through a turbo setup at 7psi is much higher than this.
On a turbo application you're forcing in the air... This is an N/A mod.

Connect 3 straw together in a Y shape. Put the upper part of the Y shapped straw and start sucking air in? Are you sucking in more air than you would if you had only 1 straw.

Now take 2 straws and put them both in your mouths. Which setup breath the best
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by HobieKopek
Raising CR should help negate the low end torque issue. I wonder if the IAC system still works with ITB's though. If not, it must be a real pain trying to get the car to idle. I've also got no experience with TPS based fuel mapping, but I'm told it is both extremely simple and extremely complicated.
One Mirage guy spend a long time trying to make his car run with ITB and EMS. I believe it took a year or even longer and still couldn't get it right.

Originally Posted by blaze125
That would be a useless Twin Throttle. The Maf will become a restriction.
http://www.rpw.com.au/ has some more info on IM with twin throttle body setup reusing the stock MAF sensor!
http://www.rpw.com.au/Products/Intak...old%20Kits.htm
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by gregivq
One Mirage guy spend a long time trying to make his car run with ITB and EMS. I believe it took a year or even longer and still couldn't get it right.


http://www.rpw.com.au/ has some more info on IM with twin throttle body setup reusing the stock MAF sensor!
http://www.rpw.com.au/Products/Intak...old%20Kits.htm
It's entirely possible to tune an EMS (or any other standalone) with multiple TBs. I guarantee the person tuning either didn't know what he was doing or he had other problems.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:19 AM
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I bet it's possible to tune ITB with EMS, I didn't know you can use TBS. Always thought a MAP sensor would have to be used.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:22 AM
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TPS. Yeah, it's the preferred method for ITB setups, so I don't know why it wouldn't be for dual TB's.

You would probably benefit most from a TPS/MAP based tune, but I'm no expert. I just know what the manual tells me and what I've read elsewhere.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:34 AM
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Just checked out couple of the old threads and 'yes' you were right. It doesn't seem like quad throttle body will make car not drivable on the street.

I stand corrected.




Everyone is saying that ITB sounds awesome, do you know where to find a sound clip or something?

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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:49 AM
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I like my setup, but its hardly an NA monster. Still needs fuel management, flash/piggyback and a host of other things (hell I still need an exhaust).
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:50 AM
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my na setup on a certain budget

rmr intake-150$
rrm throttlebody-350$
4g93 mani (100 used) port urself-100$
head work-250$
rpw header + downpipe-550$
custom exhuast-200$
bored fuel rail-100$
pulley-100$
piggyback-400$
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:50 AM
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Id hold off on the fuel mods at first.

Extremely light-weight wheels (under 12 lbs each)
very good tires

Do all of the exhaust and Intake Mods. Headers, Downpipe, highflow cat, center pipe, axle back, intake, intake manifold, throtal body.

Then move on to cams and pistons, keeping in mind how one will effect the other when your purchasing.

Then remove your AC/power stearing belt (or the entire systems)

Lightened crank pully

Flywheel and clutch

Limited Slip

grounding kit

plugs and wires

FMU (greddy Emanage or AEM ems), piggy is okay but you are looking for the ultimate setup.

Port and Polish.


Then you can start to move on to some fuel mods tuning as you go with your stand alone FMU.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 09:58 AM
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Of course if your are just looking at the 1/4 mile, which most of you kids are, you can try this method. http://crazyjim.ramelot.com/14seconds.htm Definatly the cheapest way to get a sentra in the 14's, and it can easially be applied to any vehicle.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Danno
Of course if your are just looking at the 1/4 mile, which most of you kids are, you can try this method. http://crazyjim.ramelot.com/14seconds.htm Definatly the cheapest way to get a sentra in the 14's, and it can easially be applied to any vehicle.


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YES!
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Danno
Of course if your are just looking at the 1/4 mile, which most of you kids are, you can try this method. http://crazyjim.ramelot.com/14seconds.htm Definatly the cheapest way to get a sentra in the 14's, and it can easially be applied to any vehicle.
Hilarious. Best part was how they made it a convertible to impress the ladies.
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 11:28 AM
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Yeah, the Sawzall Sentra was my avatar back in the day. I'll cook up a list of how I'd build an NA Lancer, but when I do it will be done as if I had a lot of money.
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