True, you are right in that respect, we went off topic with that one and got side tracked. As said before I was talking about the cost of the gains from MY VIEW POINT. Plus I was responding to his question about how much I spent and what I paid for my horsepower. Sorry for stealing the thread there. I was just kinda taken back at the cost of the upgrades and the gains for the lancer. My buddy with his Cobra threw on some headers and there was at least a 15hp increase and he spent less than 300. I know it's not a 4 cyclinder but it is N/A (yes it was dyno'ed at the install shop after installation) I would just think they you would get more gains than 8 whp, thats, all after installing an almost complete exhaust sytem. Again sorry for stealing the thread guys and going off topic.