So I was reading up on engine swaps and I thought the 4g69 from the ralliart model would be a good inexpensive engine to swap into an 02 Lancer OZ Rally. I found only one swap on the internet and it was in a UK lancer with a 1.6 motor rather than our 2.0. I've got several questions. The UK guy made it sound so easy. I want to know how different a US lancer is from the UK model and whether or not there is someone else who has done this swap. I live in Honda territory and all the shops keep telling me that they know nothing about Mitsu. Also, if there is anyone in Oregon that anyone knows of that works on DSM please let me know.

 

The UK guy is different. There is no RA in the UK. Did you look at his cost?


Since RA is sold in the US, the effort of it ISN'T cost effect YET. You should have bought a RA . . . if it has an ugly f-bumper, buy an aftermarket one . . . cost much cheaper in time, effort, and money.

 

I've gotten that much. I've already put money into the suspension and body of this car and don't really want to waste that. Besides, it's hard to find ralliarts in my area and I can only get one of the new models, which isn't cost efficient to me and I like the look of the old ones better. I just want to take the next step in the evolution of my car. I'm not looking for a lotta horse, I just want it to be able to back itself up when it comes to all these honda's around here and the ralliart motor would be perfect. Theoretically how hard do you think it would be to do this swap? The only question I have is about the rotors. The guy from the UK said he had to swap CVs and I wonder if it'll fit onto the oz rally rotors?

 

Granted the UK guy has tons of money, extra help, great grasp of technical skills, and willing to R&D himself, it looks easy to an average joe.


https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=259059
Go to this link . . . much easier swap. Motor isn't a rarity like a G69. Go talk to the thread starter. He has paved a much easier path for most lancer crew.

The G64 motor has been pushing cars from 3000 to 3300+ lbs cars like the 3g eclipse + galants, and there is no way a lancer is heavier than those two cars. Hell, the first gen G64 powered a freakin' Mitsu mini-van, and those are way heavier using lesser HP.

Towards the end of the thread, I have already explored all the potential negative events that can happen w/ the guy.

 

It's an expensive swap. IIRC, it cost Diavlo around $12,000. The parts needed are not easy to come by, either, since Ralliarts are so rare. Putting in a turbo really is a better option. A well tuned stage 2 OZ can outrun a lightly modded Ralliart.

 

Was the cost in british pound, euro, or USD? He never stated which one.

 

That statement right there is why I think the swaps are worth it. "A stage 2 g94 vs a lightly modded G69" this just means that the G69 motor has way more potential than G94 and could resurrect the older lancer from being in the Kia's and Hyundai's class to the civics and nissan class. I've seen Kia's with turbos that have better pulls.

 

Why don't you tell us what kind of driving you're into? That would help tell you which alternative might be best.

If you're into straight lines, yeah... go ahead, go nuts and swap.
If you're into twisties... Invest that money in HPDE events. Learn how to drive and you'll be much faster than more powerful cars on the track.

It's not all about how fast you can go. It's also how well you can manage the power you have available, and how well you can carry your momentum around. I sat in the passenger seat of a stock Civic at the track. Only mods were suspension mods. And guess what... we were passing Porshes and Fairladies. Not because the car was more powerful. Only because the guy could drive and was able to properly manage the power he had available.

Who's faster? Somebody doing 120mph in a straight line and 30mph in a curve, or somebody doing 90mph in a straight and doing 50 mph in the same curve? Oh... and... who had more fun? The one that went fast in the stretch? Or the one that pushed the limits?

You answer to those question will determine what kind of driving you do. If you like straight lines... go nuts on power. If you like twisties... learn how to carry your momentum.

A **** load of power is useless if you can't use it.

 

OK. So I guess that would be straight lines. And I can get ahold of a g69 for anywhere from 1000-2000. So getting ahold of a motor is not the big. I'm not looking for the motor that you can get all this horse from. It's like you said up there, a lightly modded ralliart vs. stage 2 turbo oz rally. I want that engine. I know it'll probably be a big pain to put in but let me show you the website that I was looking at and I want you guys to tell me what you think. Here is the link after painstakingly looking for it
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=230893.
So take a look and tell me what you guys think. The engine in that car looks almost identical to ours. And I do say almost.

 

What you have to ask yourself is how much power do you really need/want in a FWD car like the lancer? IMO once you get above 200 hp the car is pretty damn fast, once you get to 300 it's just stupid.

 

Don't believe us, ask Boe or the RRM crew. They have more hands-on experience than most of us.

Otherwise, go for it and run up the tab . . . don't be like the Illuminati guy who finished the Evo swap and fell off the face of the earth. If you make it to the end, props to you. If you fail w/ a bad craftmanship and a half dead car, tell us about the failure too. We need success stories just as much as being the poster boy.


To make it to the end: you need time, effort, money, and practicality. If you hesitate or say no to any one of those requirements, you have already doomed your project. This isn't any H&A swap or SR20 swap for the 240 guys that had been done since the 90's, nearly 20 years of trailblazing. This put into perspective of the ideal "If he can do it, I can do it better" syndrome.

 

You know, you guys are actually really helpful. You don't flame people like me. I appreciate that. Well I know that it is actually extraordinarily rare that this swap is done, if ever, but in the UK lancer the guy said he had to change cv axles. I wonder if those will fit the rotors on the oz rally. Anybody??? Other question. Say I were to keep the 4g94. How much horse can the block handle. Not because I would want to max it out. Just for durability purposes. I've read a few stories in these forums about people blowing their engines. I understand that maybe they tore the hell out of their engines and ran them really hard. But I want an engine that can decently stand up to the rigors of aggressive driving. I would totally just go for upgrading the 4g94 but dont want an engine that is unreliable with all that horse. Third question. Now I just met this guy that totally flamed my car saying that he is buying a 94 accord that would destroy my lancer. Now around here that is possible. Here is the issue. He says the car goes 115 in third. I really don't think thats gonna happen seeing he only paid 600 for the car. And the gearing ratios in a 5 speed would have to be all whack wouldnt they? What do you guys think?

 

The block can handle 300+ hp if you replace the rods and pistons.

 

Ok this is going to sound rather stupid.....but...anyway I have an '05 mitsu lancer es with the 2.0 i looked arund in the engine bay and think i found the engine number as a 4g94 but i got into cars on the muscle car side and know little to nothing about the import motors other than the little that i have done to the one i got(cold air intake and cat back exhaust). So basicly i'm hoping to get help identifying what parts fit my engine i'm relatively sure the evo runs a 4g63 right? or is that only the rally art? frankly i got into this car because i didn't have the money to buy a mustang but i have grown to love the little thing and want to make it more powerful i know turbo charging it will work but i also want to put a new fuel rail on it and ingectors and such and do a good bit of work to get it sounding and running the way i want. I just don't know that i'm looking at the right numbers. If someone of you with more experience with these little cars would be willing to give me some insight i would be very greatful!

 

All the base models under the evo and ralliart run the 4g94. Ralliart runs 4g69. Evo is confusing to me cause some people tell me its a 4g63 but others tell me its a 4g64. Pretty sure its a 4g64. Remember to check out Roadracemotorsports.com or rpw.com.au . Both those sites are great to find parts for your motor. By the way, I'm looking for aftermarket cv axles. Anyone know where I could find some?