2.0 L 152 HP ...good enough?
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Pretty sure it's going to be the 4B11T. Nothing is set in stone though - I've heard rumours of two different versions of the Evo: one with a mildly tuned 4B11T and an ultra-high performance verision with a 2.4 turbo. Doubtful though.
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According to interview with Dan Sims from Januarys Detroit Auto Show, the engine for the new Evo X will be in fact 4B11T, but I am more than sure it will be specially reinforced/designed for extra boost/turbo so I don't think it will be just an engine taken away from the new Lancer and slapped with a turbo. There certainly gonna be some enhancements.
As far as world engine 2.4l goes, there are signs that this motor (which is already used in Japanese Outlander since late 2005) will be available with a GTS trim in 2009 model.
As far as original post goes, gotta remember that Lancer DE, ES, GTS are in the economy class (GTS is not equivalent to previous generation Ralliart, it is rumored that next gen Ralliart will appear sometime next year), they are not meant to be sports cars due to their price range, when compared to Mazda3 (2.0 liter), Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, the new Lancer is pretty much on par with them all. 152HP for a 3000-3100 lbs car is a bit underpowered but thats one of the highest HP rated engines in its compact class.
As far as world engine 2.4l goes, there are signs that this motor (which is already used in Japanese Outlander since late 2005) will be available with a GTS trim in 2009 model.
As far as original post goes, gotta remember that Lancer DE, ES, GTS are in the economy class (GTS is not equivalent to previous generation Ralliart, it is rumored that next gen Ralliart will appear sometime next year), they are not meant to be sports cars due to their price range, when compared to Mazda3 (2.0 liter), Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, the new Lancer is pretty much on par with them all. 152HP for a 3000-3100 lbs car is a bit underpowered but thats one of the highest HP rated engines in its compact class.
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take it from me... I went from a 350z to this car.... Its slow in my book, but for what the price is and what you get its cool in my opinion.. Dont get this car if your looking for a fast car cuz its not..... Anything under 250hp isnt fast or quick, bottom line... But the car looks nice and im happy with it...
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Sadly, a FWD car will never kick *** without some SERIOUS and in depth work on an FI and engine internals.
i think it is definitely one of the best looking cars out right now, and hopefully it won't be as common to see as a mazda3 is... lol
isn't the ralliart gonna be turbod and AWD? or just turbod? cuz if it was turbod and AWD why is it any different from an evo aside from the hardly different aesthetics?
bottom line, though- this is a lancer. it is not an evo, isn't even a mazdaspeed. lancers are economy cars, not race cars. only us very dedicated and experienced people will see quick lancers. look at the current lancer aftermarket? mostly improvements to the way the car looks.
i don't mean to be a downer, but if most of us were ever gonna have a really quick turbod lancer, we'd be trying to put our own custom turbo in ourselves already!
i think it is definitely one of the best looking cars out right now, and hopefully it won't be as common to see as a mazda3 is... lol
isn't the ralliart gonna be turbod and AWD? or just turbod? cuz if it was turbod and AWD why is it any different from an evo aside from the hardly different aesthetics?
bottom line, though- this is a lancer. it is not an evo, isn't even a mazdaspeed. lancers are economy cars, not race cars. only us very dedicated and experienced people will see quick lancers. look at the current lancer aftermarket? mostly improvements to the way the car looks.
i don't mean to be a downer, but if most of us were ever gonna have a really quick turbod lancer, we'd be trying to put our own custom turbo in ourselves already!
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You CAN kick *** with a FWD car. AMS made a 700+ hp Srt-4. Just add slicks and an LSD.
Also, the EVO and the Ralliart will have different suspension and traction things to it... all controlled by a computer... which means they are 2 very different cars...
Also, the EVO and the Ralliart will have different suspension and traction things to it... all controlled by a computer... which means they are 2 very different cars...
I had mentioned this in another post but this is actually the right thread for my comment.
I am not impressed at all with what is under the hood of this car. Don't get me wrong, I am a Mitsu man and I think the new 08 Lancers are awesome looking cars and for 22k you can get one thats loaded but it's the hp tq #'s that scare me.
I owned an Evo VIII a while back and I sold it because of finance trouble and "yes" I miss that car but I went to a 2007 Dodge Caliber R/T AWD with 172hp crank. So I have been driving this car and I am used to the no hp it has to offer me so I can't even imagine driving something that has even less. So basically imo some people who think that down the line dropping an intake, exhaust and a turbo into this vehicle are going to see big #'s I really don't think so. Unless you spend $$ into fabricating engine internals and such forth I don't think you will get over 250-270hp out of this engine. "But it is very early yet" so I might be surprised and I am not saying that it's not going to be possible to get over that amount of hp it's just going to require alot of time, effort, research, fabrication and $$$$$$$
So basically imo this is going to be another "all show and no go" vehicle. But like I said before for what you get on the inside and the exterior I think it's worth the money.
I am not trying to knock down anyones hopes or to start arguments but like some said in a post above "this is an economy car" .
Oh yeah and even with me saying all that I still think it's the newest nicest looking car on the market and my wife really likes them so I know I'll be buying one soon
I am not impressed at all with what is under the hood of this car. Don't get me wrong, I am a Mitsu man and I think the new 08 Lancers are awesome looking cars and for 22k you can get one thats loaded but it's the hp tq #'s that scare me.
I owned an Evo VIII a while back and I sold it because of finance trouble and "yes" I miss that car but I went to a 2007 Dodge Caliber R/T AWD with 172hp crank. So I have been driving this car and I am used to the no hp it has to offer me so I can't even imagine driving something that has even less. So basically imo some people who think that down the line dropping an intake, exhaust and a turbo into this vehicle are going to see big #'s I really don't think so. Unless you spend $$ into fabricating engine internals and such forth I don't think you will get over 250-270hp out of this engine. "But it is very early yet" so I might be surprised and I am not saying that it's not going to be possible to get over that amount of hp it's just going to require alot of time, effort, research, fabrication and $$$$$$$
So basically imo this is going to be another "all show and no go" vehicle. But like I said before for what you get on the inside and the exterior I think it's worth the money.
I am not trying to knock down anyones hopes or to start arguments but like some said in a post above "this is an economy car" .
Oh yeah and even with me saying all that I still think it's the newest nicest looking car on the market and my wife really likes them so I know I'll be buying one soon
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There is a problem with this 152HP rating! They dynoed a stock es and it was putting out 143 WHP that is more the the last RA put down rated at 162 HP(135WHP). There is NO way you are only losing 9HP from crank to wheels. IMO this car has more like 170 HP at the crank and with just intake and exhuast I have gain a full second in my 0-60 time so dont be fooled this motor is gong to scream
The dyno sheet is on this forum under the thread 2008 ES Test drive ( it is on the home page on the left side about 3 pictures down) go to the bottom of the thread and click on the dyno sheet. They even state that the 152 HP is deff under rated! RRM
The dyno sheet is on this forum under the thread 2008 ES Test drive ( it is on the home page on the left side about 3 pictures down) go to the bottom of the thread and click on the dyno sheet. They even state that the 152 HP is deff under rated! RRM
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Hey guys how about this thought:
HP and torque measurement (SAE HP - what you read as 152) has been changed slightly from 2007 to 2008 from what I hear. There's a chance this may have something to do with it.
The Frontier dropped a few hp and tq numbers even though the truck is exactly the same as last years model.
HP and torque measurement (SAE HP - what you read as 152) has been changed slightly from 2007 to 2008 from what I hear. There's a chance this may have something to do with it.
The Frontier dropped a few hp and tq numbers even though the truck is exactly the same as last years model.
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Sadly, a FWD car will never kick *** without some SERIOUS and in depth work on an FI and engine internals.
i think it is definitely one of the best looking cars out right now, and hopefully it won't be as common to see as a mazda3 is... lol
isn't the ralliart gonna be turbod and AWD? or just turbod? cuz if it was turbod and AWD why is it any different from an evo aside from the hardly different aesthetics?
bottom line, though- this is a lancer. it is not an evo, isn't even a mazdaspeed. lancers are economy cars, not race cars. only us very dedicated and experienced people will see quick lancers. look at the current lancer aftermarket? mostly improvements to the way the car looks.
i don't mean to be a downer, but if most of us were ever gonna have a really quick turbod lancer, we'd be trying to put our own custom turbo in ourselves already!
i think it is definitely one of the best looking cars out right now, and hopefully it won't be as common to see as a mazda3 is... lol
isn't the ralliart gonna be turbod and AWD? or just turbod? cuz if it was turbod and AWD why is it any different from an evo aside from the hardly different aesthetics?
bottom line, though- this is a lancer. it is not an evo, isn't even a mazdaspeed. lancers are economy cars, not race cars. only us very dedicated and experienced people will see quick lancers. look at the current lancer aftermarket? mostly improvements to the way the car looks.
i don't mean to be a downer, but if most of us were ever gonna have a really quick turbod lancer, we'd be trying to put our own custom turbo in ourselves already!
There is a problem with this 152HP rating! They dynoed a stock es and it was putting out 143 WHP that is more the the last RA put down rated at 162 HP(135WHP). There is NO way you are only losing 9HP from crank to wheels. IMO this car has more like 170 HP at the crank and with just intake and exhuast I have gain a full second in my 0-60 time so dont be fooled this motor is gong to scream The dyno sheet is on this forum under the thread 2008 ES Test drive ( it is on the home page on the left side about 3 pictures down) go to the bottom of the thread and click on the dyno sheet. They even state that the 152 HP is deff under rated! RRM
The dyno sheet is on this forum under the thread 2008 ES Test drive ( it is on the home page on the left side about 3 pictures down) go to the bottom of the thread and click on the dyno sheet. They even state that the 152 HP is deff under rated! RRMMMMmmmmmm interesting..... thanks for the info
Hey guys how about this thought:
HP and torque measurement (SAE HP - what you read as 152) has been changed slightly from 2007 to 2008 from what I hear. There's a chance this may have something to do with it.
The Frontier dropped a few hp and tq numbers even though the truck is exactly the same as last years model.
HP and torque measurement (SAE HP - what you read as 152) has been changed slightly from 2007 to 2008 from what I hear. There's a chance this may have something to do with it.
The Frontier dropped a few hp and tq numbers even though the truck is exactly the same as last years model.
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How is it negativity?
you practically agreed with me. you listed an SRT4 as an example of a fast 4 cylinder. an SRT4 isn't a stock lancer GTS. It is a heavily modified engine with hardly the same working parts as a neon. Don't just automatically assume that i "lack knowledge" simply because you disagree.
why are you getting so hostile? go bug someone else?
all you gotta say is "I disagree," you don't need to throw anything rude on the end of it. that's all you gotta say, pal.
you practically agreed with me. you listed an SRT4 as an example of a fast 4 cylinder. an SRT4 isn't a stock lancer GTS. It is a heavily modified engine with hardly the same working parts as a neon. Don't just automatically assume that i "lack knowledge" simply because you disagree.
why are you getting so hostile? go bug someone else?
all you gotta say is "I disagree," you don't need to throw anything rude on the end of it. that's all you gotta say, pal.