so it's the biggest HP gain for non-turbo/supercharged engines? i agree. on a lancer engine (non-EVO), how much HP APPROXIMATELY do you think you could get with a driveable/street cam?

 

The way you're phrasing the question somewhat indicates you don't know much about the dynamics of cars. Like with any mod, what dictates how much you'll gain (or even lose), is how well your upgrades work together. Plus, without a dyno, all you'll get is a guess which probably won't be accurate or a guess from the butt dyno.

 

I'll take a shot in the dark here. Going off of wadad's dyno numbers with a header/downpipe, exhaust, and drop-in filter of 17 whp... And also going off the general notion that a cam will net the single lowest hp gain of all na mods...

I'd go with at least 15 whp, if not closer to 20. Of course, like in uranium's case you'll need a properly tuned afc to realize power from the cam. Otherwise you're getting a better mixture but just burning it off without harnessing it.

And I think everyone can see now how important dyno figures really are, as opposed to speculations built from other speculations like we have in this post.

 

WAAAAAAAAAY too subjective. Just how much money are you willing to spend anyway? Cuz you know, you don't need a huge cam to run a butt load of nitrous heehee but that's probably not what you're looking for.

 

well, i was a GM mechanic a while ago, but only for a year and it was just stock repair; no mods. i decided i didn't want to work on other people's stock cars; especially when they don't take care of them.
alot of people like me have few or no engine mods. therefore talking about current combination modifications won't apply.
since we're all working with basically same engine, same aftermarket part availability, same body, same weight, same drivetrain, you could say there are some mods which make sense and some that don't.
a mod that doesn't make sense is to ONLY upgrade the fuel pump. it also doesn't make sense to spend $2,000 for a 5 HP gain.
i wasn't looking for exact HP gain suggestions, just some ballpark HP gains from personal experience or someone you know or believe. i'm sure everyone (sane) is looking for a mod to get the biggest HP gain while spending the least amount of money.
a good first mod sounds like an aftermarket intake. i've seen them for less than $200.
a second would be an exhaust mod although the HP gain vs. money spent is a little iffy.

 

Spend $7000 and you'll end up with a high 13 second car.

 

what do u buy with the $7000 ? lol curious

 

4g63 and drop it in to your us lancer

 

turbo ecu bolt ons port and polish basiclly

 

your not going to get a 4g63 in your car for only 7 grand if you did it was prob a crap job or you got a lot of time to do all the custom fab needed

 

no thats mean ther are countless things you cold do with 7g's personally first thing i would buy is a turbo. then ecu, lsd, pistons t.b., clutch, exhaust, header shall i go on....

 

The lowest gain will always be intake. I think some people are brainwashed by import tuner's dyno test of intake pumping 7-10 HP at the wheel. I don't know how they managed to do it, but SCC has never duplicated such results in their test w/ similar products.

Cam or Cams will give you one of the biggest gain for NA. It's like telling a 'stang 5.0 or Iroc-Z/Z-28 w/ a 350 swap idling loppy like NASCAR that their cams don't worth squat. Tell that to the SR20DE guys running Jun, Toda, or JWT in their 200sx or Sentra/G20 engine swaps that their cams are worthless too.

Cam or Cams do work if you take the time to tune it and learn to love a loppy idle from a more aggressive cam grinds.

Also, does anyone think those all motor honda (non pro) run stock cams? Heck no.

 

yes but those all motor hondas are also switching to d.o.h.c. v-tec heads and then changing the cams out too. but those guys are fast as hell!!!!!!!

 

Those all motor hondas run all sorts of hybrid parts off the B-series engine. Their major gains are cyl head work and grinds of cams.

There seemed to be a general consensus that the lancer guys are skeptical or just plain scared of cam work. Does anyone think that Mitsu engineers ever thought of a more aggressive cam grind for the lancer, especially for cali spec?


Three things hamper furthur R&D: 1) Fear of the unknown like Plato's Allegory of the Cave (a must read). 2) Fighting cali spec. 3) Conservative cam grind that was left over from the G93. Eliminate those, there is power to be tapped. Those who say otherwise are fooling themselves.

Look at other manufacturers. Heck, our G93 runs a whopping smallish exhaust from the G15 - 1.5 inches. We have been hampered enough, and I would hate to see lancer guys fall prey to Mitsu conservative engineering. Just maybe, those engineers are right about dumping conservative car to American shores. I'm sure Honda and Nissan don't think so to a lesser degree.

If you want to see cam handiwork, look at Jim Wolf at how much effort he has given to the nissan guys. He tried to squeeze every ounce of power from his cam grinds for all sorts of nissan products, if Toda or Jun can't provide.

 

Well bahamut, if it makes you feel any better, uranium9v already has his camshaft and gear installed and I'll be getting mine soon hopefully as well. With more displacement, the gains will hopefully be even more marked from the 1.8L's. You wouldn't happen to have numbers from shafted (yes, pun intended) Mirages would you?