All of those ratings are flywheel. Our car's abour 103 at the wheels and the Cav would be damn similar. There shouldn't be SO much of a difference in drivetrain loss as to seriously skew the numbers...even with an auto transmission.

 

Unless the 1st stats are from the 2.2L of the early 90's, the Lancer should not be afraid.

If it's the 2nd stats from the 2.2 derviving from the saturn powerplant (SC2), the Lancer will be in trouble, even against the auto tranny. That powerplant is rev happy and can haul butt.

Like all GM's auto tranny, it's powerband is linear like most minivans, very TQ'ey within the first 2 gears. Survive that up to 60 mph . . . the Lancer should be okay in manual.

 

Although you are counting the manual transmission as being superior, you are not quite correct in why it is.

With a manual transmission, you can effectively hold your engine in its powerband without worrying about dropping a gear. When you push a manual transmission, the only thing that is going to stop you is your rev-limiter.

Automatic transmissions provide smooth, even power throughout the rev band without the one fault of a manual transmission: lag.

When you shift a car with a manual transaxle, the drive wheels will be detached from the engine for a short time, even only a few seconds, where power will not be transmitted. An auto transaxle can shift considerably faster than you will ever be able to, and can avoid most of the power loss and lurch you get with a manual.

However, to the Manual's credit, most Automatics are forced by the computer to shift below the redline, and sometimes even below the powerband. I'm not certain what the Cav has when it comes to shift points, but if it's anything like my 1990 Accord, it can go all the way to the line and still shift without the lag you'll get tossing the gears yourself. I doubt that the Cav can redline in auto trim, but unless you know for sure, watch out.

From a standing start, it really depends on the skill of the manual driver. I'm a manual Lancer driver, so don't think I'm ratting on the car or its owners, but the Cav may be an opponent you'll need to think twice about lining up with.

It'll be a close match, no matter what, but I look forward to stories about these kinds of races, providing of course that whomever writes them isn't a liar and tells the truth. I know better than to believe it when I read "I smoked this" and "I killed that." Maybe if you're up against an old EK Civic, like the hatchback with only 109horse at the flywheel.

Just be careful, don't break your trans (your freindly neighborhood Mitsu dealer KNOWS what race and abuse damage looks like) and watch out for cops.

-Goon-Kun

 

With A MT you can redline it and push your car you cant do that with an auto, and with a MT you have 5 gears and closer gear ratios so youll go faster then a AT, and ive racesd a celica GT thats auto and as camry v6 that was auto and ive beaten then both becuase i have a MT and they have auto, 5 gears makes a nice difference for speed

 

Ah, the great AT vs MT debate. It all vary to a certain extent.

On the track, a manual will always kill a car w/ similar mods in AT format.

As for the streets, the margin for error on the driverside of the equation is greater for MT. Bouncing the rev-limiter (out of control revving) or too afraid to pull the gear to peak HP (not just dropping it to redline - no HP there), will always favor the AT driver (unless the fool believes manually shifting an AT if it's not made for sportronic type shifting).

Most AT tranny has a weakness in 3rd gear, unless having a fat powerband made for 3rd gear.

As for the camry (latter year), I have never beaten one, because it's third gear is too strong. 0-40: I can lead about 3 feet. 50-70: the camry storms pass me like a shot of nitrous. Of course, I have never battled them 100 mph to test their O/D. So far, I'm have lost to 4 consecutive modern camry v6.

Of course, I'm doing this with stock exhaust . . . it's killing me after 6o mph.

 

Well i raced a 93 v6 camery either that a 95, maybe it lost its pep over the years? it was stock i can tell you that, my car is stock too well except for a K&N box air filter drop in

 

My parents own a 1997 V6 Camry. If you have a Lancer I doubt you can beat one that actually put the pedal down.

 

I have a lot more mods on my 1.8, just running stock exhaust. It's my biggest resistriction designed by Mitsu. Inlet on the cat-converter is 2 inch . . . outlet is 1 7/8 inch . . . and tail pipe is 1.5 inches. Pulling so much air into the motor, it just bottlenecks at the exhaust side of the equation and its frequency (a bit of a problem).

Whew! An early or mid 90's camry. I thought you were one hell of a driver pounding out those gears to beat a modern Camry.


Have you ever try to go against a modern s-10 v6 in either flavor with LSD or regular tranny? Those are the first vehicles that I've tried to guage my performance with each mod.

 

look the damn mirage doesnt stand a chance if the guy who drives the lancer has any idea what hes doing then yeah the race might be somewhat close but the lancer will win guarateed just go race and tell us what happens

 

The guy I was supposed to race decided not to. I guess it's a safe choice. But I was racing him for a purpose too. He was going around spreading bad news about me, and this guy and I were really close for a good year, going to the races during summertime.

When I first challenged him to run, he said he couldn't race me with his Cavalier, and had to use his dad's Jaguar XJ6, err some car like that...One of the old one's from the late 60's. I told him our cars were in the same class, the Lancer and the Cavalier. So this guy says okay. The next day he declines, saying he "Isn't into it anymore".

I guess I win by default...But it still won't satisfy my want to pull ahead of him in cars at least.

 

Eh...look at the subject again. It's Cavalier vs Lancer. Anyway...if it's close then it's NOT garaunteed.

With similar cars it will all be up to the drivers. Don't have so much confidence in a car if you don't know its driver or who you're up against. The car is only part of the equation. Anywho...in case you couldn't guess I voted that it could go either way. I love my car as much as the next person, but it's certainly not king of our class. Let's try to keep this race on our planet, with the normal physics that we're used to.

Yeah, Kei...I think you win by default. Now go chalk it up in the kill forum! ::ducks::

 

the guy lost his ***** becuase he knew he was going to race a Lancer
^ ^

 

Not bad but I would prefer not to see a win by default though.

 

beign a person that traded in a 98 auto cavalier for a manual 2k2 lancer oz, i would go with the lancer. the cavalier has no get up and go and it most of them are only 3 speed autos, so they shut off about 97 mph. for those of you that are unfortunate enought to have a cavalier, buy the aero speed coilovers and put them on your car, it will give you a 4 inch drop and you wont be able to hit a grain of sand without tearing something off your car.

 

well i think the race will be about whos the better driver not whats the better car. the cars r very similar, the mileage is a factor too.

im hoping the lancer wins cause i really hate the cavalier.
well good luck and race hard.