uhhh, maybe it did. im not sure, but if thats what you say then probably.

 

Mine was almost 17k before taxes.. I tried talking them down, my dad went and tried to and he always gets his way when he buys cars but the dealer just wasn't having it.. mine was the 3rd one they had sold and they said they couldn't do anything.. LIARS!!

 

i dunno. personally i think alot of u guys got ripped. b4 financing and all those other fees, i got my galant v6 down to 16500. i guess its where u go too. i know some places won't go down as low cuz they know the guy right behind u will pay the price they want....

 

got mine for 16,000 b4 taxes. After taxes and everything it was 18 to 19 grand

 

sorry if i consider paying $1000 more on a car than i should unfair. i'd rather keep my $1000. trust me the dealers make enough money. they wanted to sell it to me for $16,700. we made a deal on $15,300. so you think it would have been fair to pay the extra $1,400 because then the dealers make more money? you think they wouldn't have sold it to me for the lower price if they weren't making money on it? i guess i conned the dealers, and stole money away from them, huh.

i like saving money, and i like paying less for things than i have to. what else am i getting ripped off on? tell me cause you obviously know my shopping habits.

 

I asked you where the dividing line was between "fair" and "getting ripped off", not an emotional tirade. The ones who seem to go off most about this are always the ones who are least inclinded to actually answer the question.

 

After rebate?

Trade difference?

 

Good Deal generally involves not paying for that S@$T they install, like paint protection, etc... If you start from invoice and work up, it does work better... or just call and get their best price... If they don't have you there, you're not attached to THEIR car... so they have to get you there... Also, don't be afraid to get up and leave...

I hope you're dealing with Ronald at Rohrman... Even 8 months later, he's still right on top of things if I need anything... Too bad they moved him over to the Hyundai building...

 

not paying an extra $1,000 is fair. paying an extra $1,000 is getting ripped off. if you pay an extra $1,000, you are getting ripped off. if you are getting ripped off, you paid an extra $1,000. when paying an extra $1,000, you can be considered getting ripped off. paying an extra $1,000, and getting ripped off, are one and the same.

need it in different words?

where's the dividing line? how about anything above "fair". why should you pay more than a fair price? if a fair price for something is $20, why should you pay $21? why should the seller get that dollar, and not you? if $20 wasn't a fair price,and they weren't making money off of it, than they wouldn't sell it for that price. i'd say a fair price on a car is about $300 over invoice. that is NOT getting a good deal, that is a fair deal. paying $1,000 over invoice is getting ripped off.

 

Thank you. That's what I was looking for.

One more question though if I may. If paying MSRP = "getting ripped off", how do you explain Saturn?

 

the planet? or the car? i don't explain it, that's why i don't buy saturns. or any GM.

 

went i first went for my 02 lancer rally last year in june i went to one dealership who had a sticker price of 22,000 (after all options) and there was one thing listed i didnt understand..... dealr destination charge of 1400 the guy said hed drop that on the spot if i bought the car..... i didnt even need to haggle him down.... bu i twas like **** it its still mad expensive........ so i went toanother local dealership..... told the salesman i was just over ath there compting dealership..... and i asked him to give me his lowest price,right out of tha bat he said 17,000 (then he added lojack n some other **** at no charge) ...... and the funnyt thing is he told me they took the car of the other dealerships lot...... shows that the other dealership was trying to rip me....... so look around n go to more than one dealership

 

www.beatthecarsalesman.com

read everything that website has to say, and with some practice you can be as coldhearted as me at a car dealership

some key pointers:

1. Always remember you can be as selfish/rude as you want, the get up and walk out the door is always an option, REMEMBER THAT. It isnt the only lancer out there, it isnt the only mitsubishi dealer out there.

2. Dont care about the salesman, hes there to try to sqeeze as much money as he can out of you, hes your enemy if he gets pushy with you its ok to stand your ground. If he feeds you bull**** about "oh I have to feed my family" Tell him to shut his trap and hes here to sell you a car not complain about his family life (the average car salesman in the USA last year was reported to make over $50,000-$70,000 a year). Remember hes YOUR customer, he wants your sale! One key factor of turning the tables.

3. NEVER TELL THEM WHAT YOU DO FOR WORK! If the salesman asks you before time, tell him your not here to talk about your personal life. They ask alot of tricky questions, if its not about the car dont answer them untill you are at the point of making a deal.

 

There are some markets where this sort of thing is quite common. Looking at it as a practical matter there's no way Mitsubishi will finance that much so without a lot of cash down the dealer will have to give up most of that markup right off the bat - but that's the point. The purpose isn't to get that much money from the customer. That's why he gave up the $1,400 right away. There's a double purpose in that by saying "I'll take that off if you buy today" provides a test close to judge how serious you are about buying while the big discount is designed to give the customer the perception they are getting a good deal, because that's what it's all about.

Perception.

The point I was trying to draw out earlier was that there is in fact, no definition of "a good deal" because a good deal is a matter of perception. To some people their perception of a good deal revolves around how little they think the retailer is making. Doesn't really matter so much what they pay for the car, so long as the dealer isn't making anything. To others it's how big the discount was, not so much the actual purchase price. To still others the perception of a good deal is how easy and hassle-free the process is. This explains why Saturn has the highest Sales Satisfaction Survey scores in the industry, even though by some peoples definition every one of those buyers got raped, and therefore should not have the perception they got a good deal. After all, even a SL1 has quite a bit more markup than a Lancer and its nowhere near as good a car. Yet the survey's show that Saturn buyers do most definately have the perception they got a good deal.

 

Bought yellow oz in Aug 2001 for 17,350.