They say you can prolly run them with the emanager but no one has done it yet. I think dave at rpw was saying he was going to have an easier set up or something a while back but i dont think that ever happened.

 

I've ran into a couple mirage guys that had their setup... they were running good and one guy had about a 30whp gain from it. Only problem was it took forever for them to get it tuned/nailed down. They were using microtech ecu's as well(full standalone).

After seeing the setup i didn't like it and i could see why it was so hard to tune and needed a stand alone. I'm currently investigating making the setup so that it can be tuned/ran on an RRM piggyback/emanage/afc/etc... I think that way you don't have to commit to a full standalone which keeps costs way down and thru my design it should be more user friendly.

I'll probably work together with RRM on this in order to use their piggy and get another product out for NA guys. Also in order to create the Carbon Fiber air box Carbontrix/RRM would be able to accomplish that easier than myself.

Any local guys willing to step up and invest in this??
Give me a few months(probably 6max) and you'll probably see it out there...

 

if they manage to make a set-up that is friendly with the PB ECU i would definately be interested...even if it required a new ECU i'd chuck mine and get a new set up...although the 30whp does sound nice, it's kind of a big dent in my wallet (not to mention my complete lack of experience with stand alone) is the set up you're looking into twin TB ? or do you have another trick up your sleeve?

 

RPWs current twin TB setup will work with an eManage/piggyback. It looks like a second butterful was welded next to the first one (that's not how they do it but that's what it looks like) The old setup was designed to be used with a standalone, but they've since developed a system that works with the stock MAS. So the ECU still controls all low-throttle stuff, but at open loop the ECU isn't capable of handling the air intake.

Be not afraid of RPW.

 

would the PB ECU be able to handle it then? i know you just said emanage/piggyback would be compatible with it but what about when it hits the open loop then if it can't handle it? i've got the PB already. if that is enough to run this safely i think i'll be giving the RPW dealer in NJ a call Tuesday morning.

 

^Let us know, I'm also interested in twin T body if it doesn't need a standalone.

 

My design would be a twin TB setup.... it would keep the stock MAS as well as keep stock TPS settings. I'm also trying to keep the cruise control as well. Some people don't have this so you'd have to let me know in advance but it's all about keeping it 100% stock in nature but 100% worth it when you put the pedal down.

I've only seen pics of the new RPW twin TB setup... the setup i've put hands on were quads. The new Twin design is really nothing more than a bigger TB that is utilizing two butterfly's... much like on the 4.6L mustangs/etc. I can see the gain with these but i like the more direct port flow of their quad setup. That is why i decided to alter the direct port into a twin TB setup. It will be quite unique and undeniably better than the setup being at the entrance to the manifold plenum.

If anyone is serious about doing this contact me. I will work things out with you and trust me by the time you have it in your hands you'll just have to bolt it on and go!! I'll have everything worked out already for you.

 

I'm in ^

 

I answered you pm... only issue is that i would be base tuning on a car that isn't exactly yours. Would the tune be close? Hell yes... would it be perfect... NO!

However it would be enough for you to have some fun with and later on hit up a dyno shop that was local to you to tweak and peak it to your exact setup.

If you were local then yes i could maximize it for your car... since you're not i'll have to be careful with timing and fuel so that you'll be safe. Again, you can always further tune it later... great thing about using the piggy style system.

Emanage would offer greatest rewards as you can advance timing with it... AFC and RRM piggy back effect fuel more than timing(even though timing is slightly altered at the same time). Thus you may squeeze a bit more out with emanage.

 

with a little more info on this product and a couple more weeks of work...i'm in.

 

How much do you think this setup would cost. and would you be doing a new manifold with this.

 

okay... i'm getting a lot of pm's on pricing and availability and i'd like to state that this is not something available thru me or developed yet.

As far as pricing goes it should be around the 1200 range for everything... when i say everything don't ask if it includes something as it will include everything to make the application work properly/correctly. You won't be told... you'll need a piggy or you'll need a fuel pump or etc... it will have EVERYTHING.

Is there a new manifold... of course... has to be for the Twin TB setup.

I've been getting bombarded and really i can only do this for one person so if your serious about the expense and ready for about a 3-6 month developement then let me know. If not please don't blast me with questions. I'd rather have someone willing to stretch their NA application that know's that Twin TB setups are out there and proven to work. Once i have it developed and ready for going in boxes i'll post that and you can ask all the questions you'd like. For now only those ready to dive into the project will get my full attention. It's just to time consuming as i don't give simple answers... i give details so that you know/understand what the answer means rather than just knowing the answer itself.

 

nicely said. eyes will be open for that day and i'll have some cash waiting....good luck on the set-up. i can't wait to see some results in the future. thanks again.

 

UPDATE: After all of the input from you guys and a bit more research I have decided that, right now, forced induction isn't for me. I will stick with the NA route. I've got a couple other tricks up my sleeve that I would like to do before I really consider FI now. I'm going to save up and buy that 2nd motor like I discussed. (I know this will be pricey but I would like to do it regardless) Forged internals are a must. Whether I choose to go with high compression is still to be decided. Maybe I will toss an AEM EMS in my ride so I can fine tune the car much more presicely than the PB ECU. Maybe a set of ripp pulleys, 4g63 IM, dual TB, cam, cam gear...just some ideas for the future. I'm not sure how long it will take me to get the cash but the more I learn about FI, the more I feel let down and worried about what will happen to the car. Personally, I would like to gain more respect by making my lancer quick without a turbo...it may take time and surely a lot of money but in my mind it is worth the experience. Thank you for all of the help and information you guys have provided.

 

4G63 IM???

Would it fit better than 4G93?