No doubt a standard Modena's HP figure is greater than a standard EVO but power is no good unless you can put it to use for you.

In that track race, there's a sweeping uphill righthander at the limit of adhesion... the Modena and Corvette could not put the power down while the EVO, Skyline and 911 were able to use much more throttle.

Penguin, there's so much more to a car's performance than what a simple acceleration stat sheet or a skidpad lateral G measurement on prisitine tarmac would show you.

 

what are u talking about!? the 360 modena is one nice *** handling car...and the evo 7 is as well due to awd and that active control **** and stuff. the 360 modena weighs roughly the same as the evo7 actually a bit less i think with +130 hp! and your saying the modena cant put that power to the ground? how abut the 5000+ hours the modena spent in a wind tunnel to maximize downforce and aerodynamics. i sure as hell bet you the modena has more downforce then the evo7...

you guys totally over estimate this evo 7 way too much. and im not talking about straight line either...if you think the modena can only perform in a straight line then ur a total idiot. and if u wanna mention modified evo 7s...then how about a f360 modena challenge? 2500 lbs with numerous other modifications solely for track use...

if there was a race between modena and evo 7 id bet my money on the ferrari...and as someone else said before this race that you are talking about wasnt exactly fair due to rain and placement of the ferrari in the very back.

 

One honest question penguin: How old are you? I suspect the answer to this question might explain a lot...

 

Wouldn't it be fair to say for the money, the Modena better out perform a $30K Evo? Of course, I would love to own one any day. I'd rather have an F355 though... such a beautifully crafted car

Also, if you're buying a Ferrari for ultimate performance numbers then you're missing out on the point. It would be like buying an Evo for drag racing only.

Let's not forget this was about an Evo vs. the new Sti so let's keep it in perspective.

Mark

 

yah id say that...but we got evo owners like michael who think their car is gods chariot and gets all ***** hurt when i say a modena can out perform it. A 30K CAR CANT BEAT EVERY CAR ON THIS PLANET!!! SO DONT BE SO SURPRISED THAT UR CAR WONT BEAT A MODENA EXCEPT ONE RACE AND NOW YOU THINK YOUR CAR IS WAY BETTER THAN A FERRARI. and its not like im even against the evo...since i plan on getting an evo 7...im just not biased

 

Ahhh. Welcome to the land of people that read car magazines, but don't actually drive them.

I hear that when you put a Ferrari symbol on an Evo, it gets much faster

Listen, we all know Ferrari makes nice cars. But, let's not overestimate the cars based on name only.

Has anyone seen the video of the Skyline (forget which one) on the track that blows by an F40 and a few other "fast" cars. I'm sure that Ferrari owner was thinking "WTF?"

Considering he didn't respond to the "how old are you" question...gentlemen, I think we have our answer.

 

hahah ok altavalet...if ppl are only allowed to talk about cars they own then i think about 99.99999999999999999999999percent of the ppl on internet boards should shut up. and i dont care about the ferrari name...hell i believe a corvette z06 is slightly better performer than the 360 modena even on tracks...so obviously the name isnt what i base my opinions on cuz CERTAINLY A AMERICAN MADE CHEVY COULDNT BEAT AN ITALIAN EXOTIC BEAUTY SUCH AS FERRARI.

oh and ive stated my age numerous times on these boards so go and search for it if u care that much...dont see how it matters tho as im just stating facts...its not like im making them up. jus cuz i disproved his whole rant about modified evos by mentioning a modified f360 that would rape it...he just responds with that like its supposed to prove something...

 

In the immortal words of MichaelK, "How old are you again?"

BTW, I mean people that drive cars on the track, who understand that what's on paper from a perfect test day is different than real conditions on a track....

 

oh so you mean that what you said earlier was stupid because everyoen talks about cars they dont drive...including you...so now your changing it to only people who drive cars on tracks...and i dont think any of you have driven a ferrari anyways so maybe you should take ur own advice as well as michael and the others who claim this ferrari modena is slow and doesnt stand a chance against an evo on a twisty track...

 

In that race, the Porsche 911 Turbo started at the very back and went to 1st in no time... the Modena was pretty much the wrong weapon for that short track, it needed longer stretches to use it's HP advantage as it couldn't carry speed well through the corners as most of the other contenders. Also, the track was dry but it rained earlier on that day.

Something just came to mind, I wonder what the elevation of that track was? N/A cars will be at a decided disadvantage at high elevations.

 

This thread is getting way to OT. If it keeps up I'm just going to close it.

evo penguin, if you want to discuss something then try not to use so many CAPS and consistent insults.

Mark

 

Why are we wasting our time debating car dynamics with someone who can't even drive a manual? So does that make you only qualified to talk about minivans?

Take the world's fastest man and slap some wooden clogs on him, then set up a tight steeplechase on marble floors and see how fast he is then.
The issue with powerful cars on street tires, especially on a track where there a good proportion of the tarmac is on twisties... it's all about TRACTION.

Wow, my hooker was right, I really am a bore. What song was that from?


And since we're talking about the STi too... I think that on that one sweeping uphill righthander, a stock STi would see it's front end plow big time and consequently lose much time. The STi is a nice car with, apparently a very very nice 6spd tranny, but without actually having driven either... I'd still take an EVO anyday because the STi looks too much like the regular WRX at a glance. IMHO Subaru cheesed out by not putting bigger fender flares on it.

 

I believe he said he was 17 in some other post. Correct me if I'm wrong evo penguin.

 

If I'd own a ferrari, I'd argue with Lamborghini, Maserati, Bughati, Porsche (911) owners...

I am a humble owner of a Evo 6.5 TME. Hence, I will continue to argue with Audi, Bimmer, WRX, Skyline owners.... but Ferrari's are way off my budget and waste of time!

I thought this thread started as a Rex vs. Evo discussion?

 

JDM STI vs JDM Evo VII, the Evo VII will win at the track. Part of this is suspension, but the biggest part is the fact that stock, the Evo VII comes with performance rubber (S02's) vs. All Season rubber on the STI (Potenza RE?'s, can't remember off the top of my head). This point was hammered home when the new STI RA Type C came with performance rubber from the factory - and beat the Evo VII by 2 seconds at one track.

JDM STI and JDM Evo VII vs. a Modena at the track. Depends on the track. Tight track, such as Tsukuba circuit, the STI and Evo will come out on top. This is one of the circuits frequently used by Best Motoring (cheap, close to tokyo, cheap). On Twin Ring Motegi, the Modena will school the STI and the Evo - been there, saw that. The Modena driver wasn't all that good, either, but when you've got enough straights to put the power down in it, it quickly pulls ahead. Hell, it just whipped by me, and I was schooling a R32 GT-R with no cats and slicks. The Evo and the STI do not have the driveline efficiency and aerodynamics to compete when it comes to *high-speed* circuits. Low to medium speed circuits, they definitely come into their own.

In real world driving, the Evo and the STI have it all over the Modena. The Modena is a twitchy, unforgiving beast in comparison to those two, and pushing it in the real world is just plain stupid for anybody, including top-notch drivers. Whereas you can push the Evo VII and STI right up near their limits without nearly the drama or consequences.

Paul Hansen