I'm lovin it! Nice upgrade!

 

why was i so impatient and why does mitsu have to give us all the shaft like that?!? and of course when the 09s come out our 08s will go down even more compared to if i traded it in now. oh well im only 19 i have plenty of time to get something real nice.

 

im on the same boat as you... except i dunno about u but i got school loans to repay in about...... exactly 2 years LOL so i dunno i'll prolly be stuck with this car for a while.... or mayb i'll hit the lotto and get a subaru sti..... sorry guys.. my family loves subies..but i am the black sheep and went with mitsu.. now i learned my lesson LOL sorry it was off topic...

 

The 4G69 is probably a good reference point for what the 4B12 will be capable of, as I can't imagine the two engines will be all that different. 200 hp NA should be achievable without going completely nuts on the engine. Basically, every porting/flow mod you can think of, tuning, and cams.

 

Threads were merged, if this looks a bit funny to you...

 

200 hp out of a 2.4 is easy, but it WILL require premium gas. i doubt you can make 200 hp without increasing CR. that said, on regular gas, you ain't gonna see a 200 hp GTS. 180 is about as high as you can go in an entry level car running on regular.

 

Yes, you'll need 91/93, but you won't need to increase your CR, only advance timing and lean out. The 4G69 can make 200+ whp without hi-comp pistons on 93 and I would imagine that the 4B12 will have very similar capabilities.

 

there is one more point that everyone is forgetting, but it may or may not be a total loss, but adding another variant may drive up the cost of after market performance mods, at least if it was all 4b11, then the cost would come down quickly, but I would speculate that this addition to the family will cost a bit more to the tuner out there.

Second, I am not sure why everyone is all in a hoot about this, the 4b11 can be tuned to match the hp spec of the 12, TQ wise i am sure it can come pretty close.
Mitsu has been making the best of a rally race 2.0 limit for how long. True 4b12 has large displacement, it comes down to what you can do with what you got.
If the numbers I have seen in the shop from the underground tuning is true, beleive me, you guys havent see anything yet for whats gonna come out

one thing is for sure, Mitsu is really getting serious with market penetration. All be it, its sloppy, but still serious.

By the way "FIRE THAT MARKETING DIRECTOR" or at least demote him to the "Director of uncut bull$h!t" lol

all and all, i am really happy to have joined the Mitsu Clan

 

thinking about it, I just cant wait to see what they are going to do about pricing. Marketing might price the 2.4 outside of the normal realm of reasonable.

lol
DE 16k
ES 18k
SE 21k
GTS 30k = Arm + Leg

you dont expect them to throw on the same pipes and parts from the 4b11 right, that would just be rude, your looking at different tranny, tranny ECU, Exhaust piping, R&D.

interesting to think about

 

don't be tooo upset guys, its only 16 more hp.... Get some parts and be happy with what you got...

 

i'm talking about the stock car only, not tuning potential. i doubt mitsu would play around with the cam timing to get higher numbers. if you're gonna require premium, increasing the CR will be a super easy way to make power across the rev range.

the car does have "double" mivec so anything is possible. if it's gonna require premium, then i'd rather it come with high CR and let the aftermarket handle the cam timing. cars like the GTS never have aggressive cam timing stock anyways so it's a moot point IMO.

 

why? the difference between the 4B11 and 4B12 is what a few mm bore, a little more than a few mm stroke? the GEMA engine was designed to be a "big" 4 cylinder engine (2L+ displacement). the block is essentially the same.

i really can't imagine the engine will be all that different...imagine the engine as a 4B11 with stroker kit. that's all.

 

don't forget the 21 ft lbs of tq and the higher tuning potential with more displacement...

that's why i don't buy new models, so i don't get shafted like this later on

 

There will be too much backpressure / restriction using the same piping size, they may be retarding performance greatly. everything must be adjusted proportionally. 400cc might not sound big. but beleive me, to an engineer it some times can be a dream to work with that extra displacement.

but you know i am going to check around on some outlander forums tosee what there pipe size is just to be sure.

but i am positive about that muffler, its got to go. even for the current 08 lancer

 

I don't think the price of GTS will increase a whole lot when Mitsu will increase the engine displacement in the current GTS to 2.4l, look at Dodge pricing with World Engines (look at the pricing difference of 2007 Mitsubishi Outlander ES with 3.0l and 2008 Outlander 2.4l, we are talking $21500 vs $20000), difference will be roughly about $1000-$1500 from the 2.0l version. The basic GTS with 2.4l should start at around $20500.