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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 02:00 PM
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e-Manage (piggy-back fuel computer)
e-Manage is an inexpensive programmable fuel management system that allows you to properly tune your factory fuel system, without having to change the entire factory ECU system to an expensive "stand-alone" unit. The e-Manage system is a universal "piggy-back" type unit, which taps into most factory ECU wiring and it still utilizes the existing sensors. Basic functions will allow the user to slightly alter factory injector duty-cycle(± 20% at 5 preset RPM points), by intercepting and altering airflow or MAP sensor signals. For VTEC cars you can adjust the VTEC shift point.
Additional features that are built into the system, but are only accessible though the use of our PC-Windows based "e-Manage Support Tool" communication software (Please see our Authorized GReddy Support Dealers for more information) are a 16x16 Airflow Adjustmemt Map, Larger Main Injector correction adjustment, Upgrade Air Flow Meter adjustment, Boost Limiter Cut, Anti-engine Stall, VTEC-fuel adjustment, Real-time Map Trace, Real-time Display, Real-time Communication, and basic Data-logging.

With the use of our "Optional Injector Harness" and the software, the unit has the ability to control an additional 16x16 Injector duty cycle Map and the Controls for adding up to 2 Addional Sub-injectors. If the "Optional Ignition Harrness" and the software is used the unit has the ability to control a 16x16 Ignition Timing Map. All of the above Maps can also be Map-traced in Real-time as well. If the factory range of Map or Airflow meter is surpassed, you can incorperate our "Optional GReddy Pressure Sensor and Pressue Harness" to set larger scales of ajustment.

All installation and tuning should only be made by a trained techntion with proper Air/Fuel Monitoring tools.

Part # Description List Price
15500550 e-Manage (main unit) $379.00
15500901 Optional Injector Harness $38.50
15500902 Optional Ignition Harness $41.80
16401301 GReddy Pressure Sensor $120.00
16401406 Pressure Sensor Harness $35.00
TBA e-Manage Support Tool see AGSD
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 03:13 PM
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wow that's well over 600 bucks of stuff then you add the cost of tuning?? Man might as well go stand alone huh?? I think RRM has done their best in light of this and i wouldn't go spending cash on jet or stand alones just yet... hint, hint! Let RRM have a few months to get some issues in order... remember a product that sells makes money and one that doesn't is likely to get discontinued. Maybe a better price/product is in the works... who know's(oh wait, i do...he he) My best advice will be to wait till ROCK gets everything in order and post.

Big thing to remember is that the ecu's were programmed by an outside source using our tunes. When people said they'd buy and wanted RRM came thru for them... then hardly anyone bought... especially auto guys. Programmers don't like getting called for one ecu at a time. They don't make the most money that way. Never fear though cause RRM won't let the lancer community down... they never do. Bigger and better is out there and they may be finding it or have found it. Only time/Rock will tell as i'm sure not!
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 03:34 PM
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Yeah, I was originally going to go e-manage, but with all those add-ons and the backorder that's why I ended up going standalone. Royal PITA at times, but turns out it wasn't causing any of my problems...fuel delivery was. Anyway...If all you need is an e-manage use an e-manage. Don't go standalone unless you feel it's absolutely necessary. It's awesome, don't get me wrong, but it's a whole nother can of worms when it comes to tuning. IMO the pros outweigh the cons though and I'm not even near finished with my car.
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 05:33 PM
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The $600 figure for the e-manage is assuming you buy all of the parts listed by Andrew. To control what the ECU reflash does with timing and a/f ratio, you only need to buy the ignition harness on top of the E-Manage itself. That alone brings the price closer to the $400 range, and that's if you're paying full retail.
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 05:39 PM
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I love my RRM manual reflash! Its a different car. Best aftermarket add on I've done. It really pulled everything together I had already done. I'd pay $700 next time if I could get same increase in power again. Mad props to RRM as usual.
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 06:10 PM
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man i hope what ever the hell bo is talking about can be used for na and is around the same pirce or cheaper because i have been bummed all day about this. like i was gonna get it really soon you know but i have patients hell theres 4 inches of snow on the ground now and will be for a while here in new england i can wait
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 08:11 PM
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Thumbs down

Yeah but 400 and that isn't even tuned... then you gotta either pay for the right map and be good, do it yourself and possible blow your motor, or go to dyno which is big bucks for tuning. All that plus shipping and handling. Man i'd rather see something like 400 for it all... maps/power/and product. Thats what i'd like. Even if it was 500 it would be worth it to me if it had the gains the ecu's had.

Originally posted by ghostrider
The $600 figure for the e-manage is assuming you buy all of the parts listed by Andrew. To control what the ECU reflash does with timing and a/f ratio, you only need to buy the ignition harness on top of the E-Manage itself. That alone brings the price closer to the $400 range, and that's if you're paying full retail.
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 09:36 PM
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Very true. My only dislike about the reflash is that it is a static setting. I personally like the ability to have multiple maps - one for daily driving, one for fun driving - and the reflash can't provide that for me. Otherwise I may have gone that route.
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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 10:22 PM
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OK here it is. Our Reflashes were mapped and designed by us. We could not crack the box without and investment of $5000-$10,000. So we enlisted someone to do this for us. He made us a deal that allowed us to pursue this service but at a hefty price per unit. Seemed OK. We dynoed and tested numerous cars to come up with N/A, automatic, and Turbo versions of this product. We spent time, money, time and some more money. We still made less than this hacker guy did. Price was a bit high but it was dependant on the fee we paid this individual. He basically wanted to do 5-10 a month to continue doing it for us. Can you say got me by the *****? We sold about 10 total. Each was received well by customers who bought them. But volume of sales was very low. This guy now figures he cannot make a living off of us so he refuses to do it anymore. I told him he was a girl and I wish I made as much money off the 10 minutes of work he did. Basically I have 1 turbo ECUs left and that is it. Anyone who wants one call and ask for me. It is $670 shipped and you can keep it. No core charge or core required!

As for the future, we are looking at low cost alternatives. We do have stuff figured out on at least 3 substitute engine management tools.Many have their good and bad points. We want something for N/A guys as well as turbo. We lost our investment on this program so I want to make sure we do not on the next one. Plus we want it to be as good or better. I will keep guys posted on this. This is the official RRM word!

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Old Dec 5, 2003 | 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by ghostrider
I personally like the ability to have multiple maps - one for daily driving, one for fun driving
I second that. It would be nice to have one map to drive around town on 87 octane for 3 weeks out of the month, and then plug in a different map before I go to a race, and then back again. Let's see what Rob comes up with, as I'm sure it will have at least the same benefits as the reflash.
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Old Dec 6, 2003 | 01:29 AM
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What if there's something better and cheaper in the future, does that mean we are screwed?
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Old Dec 6, 2003 | 01:47 AM
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Joe, you work in computers, so the idea of buying something and then having it become obsolete shouldn't be new to you. We bought the best that was available at the time, and it still has tons of benefits. I'm still not sure if I'd want to give up my high rev limit in order to get whatever this system will give. But it all depends on what the driver wants. Reflash might still be the way for me, and maybe you will be happy with it too. Or you coudl sell it, whatever you like.
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Old Dec 6, 2003 | 03:13 AM
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damnit i should have bought it when i had the chance...
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Old Dec 6, 2003 | 08:19 AM
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No ones stuff is obsolete. Just have to find new way to skin a cat.

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Old Dec 6, 2003 | 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by ROCK
No ones stuff is obsolete. Just have to find new way to skin a cat.
Good to hear. I was thinking about this down the road.
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