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Ah that's what I love. A heated debate about brakes.
If you guys weren't so full of prejudice I've had already offered a group buy discount on the 4 pot setup by Movit.
What some don't understand. Putting in very harsh pads like the DS3000 doesn't make a good braking system. Stopping power will be good but what about modulation, wear, maintenance etc.
The key for a good brake system is to run it as cool as possible. Putting in carbon/metallic pads is just a short term solution. Just ask Blade what happened to his discs. Now he can run a much cooler setup and therefore he can use organic pads and still has the same stopping power but much less wear etc.
As the ultimate EVO exists in the Jun Lemon EVO look at this brakes. Not bigger than 330mm. This should tell you something.
What is really pissing me off that all those doubters still use the standard system without having tested either an AP or a Movit setup on an EVO and now making pointless comments.
Get a live
Rant over
Mike
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If you guys weren't so full of prejudice I've had already offered a group buy discount on the 4 pot setup by Movit.
What some don't understand. Putting in very harsh pads like the DS3000 doesn't make a good braking system. Stopping power will be good but what about modulation, wear, maintenance etc.
The key for a good brake system is to run it as cool as possible. Putting in carbon/metallic pads is just a short term solution. Just ask Blade what happened to his discs. Now he can run a much cooler setup and therefore he can use organic pads and still has the same stopping power but much less wear etc.
As the ultimate EVO exists in the Jun Lemon EVO look at this brakes. Not bigger than 330mm. This should tell you something.
What is really pissing me off that all those doubters still use the standard system without having tested either an AP or a Movit setup on an EVO and now making pointless comments.
Get a live
Rant over
Mike
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Mike, what are you trying to say with your remark about the JUN Evo?? The way I understood what you wrote was that the standard system is good enough. Yes, it has an "Endless" brake system, but that can hardly be called state of the art. I would say the JUN Evo is underpowered in the brake department.
Andre, are you saying I shouldn't buy your godspeeddiscs then?!
Andre, are you saying I shouldn't buy your godspeeddiscs then?!
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Michael
I was referring to the diametre of the Jun EVO's discs. Even such a powerful car doesn't need bigger disc. It's just for looks. Maybe Ralliarts Extreme VII needs the big AP kit it as it's too heavy
Michael as soon as Gerrit has restored his EVO get a drive with him and convince yourself. Better than endless discussions.
I can't understand why people are so reluctant in investing in a better brake system. Next to suspensions it's more than crucial to performance, feel and confidence in your car.
It's a joke to compare the standard system with uprated disc to either a Movit or an AP kit. Even If I didn't need my old callipers for the MOT somewhen I wouldn't even give them away for free as their ****.
Mike
I was referring to the diametre of the Jun EVO's discs. Even such a powerful car doesn't need bigger disc. It's just for looks. Maybe Ralliarts Extreme VII needs the big AP kit it as it's too heavy
Michael as soon as Gerrit has restored his EVO get a drive with him and convince yourself. Better than endless discussions.
I can't understand why people are so reluctant in investing in a better brake system. Next to suspensions it's more than crucial to performance, feel and confidence in your car.
It's a joke to compare the standard system with uprated disc to either a Movit or an AP kit. Even If I didn't need my old callipers for the MOT somewhen I wouldn't even give them away for free as their ****.
Mike
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What is really pissing me off that all those doubters still use the standard system without having tested either an AP or a Movit setup on an EVO and now making pointless comments.
is this qoute related to me? scoobymike
i have used two sets of ap racing calipers on subaru and evo s
i have taken place on NRing passenger seat also so i know what good brakes are
about the jun evo if you look good they only changed the caliper they are running on standard discs only the caliper is smaller and uses smaller pad.
otinik yes they squeek but on track with youre helmet on you have no problems with it
go for ds 2000 or you can use ds2500 for street use and for track days
Michael the godspeedbrakes
i have already sold those discs they are ok nothing wrong with it. Just my testing goes on
godspeedbrakes you pay 505 pounds for incl postage costs
tecno2 discs costs me 254 euro incl postage costs from italy
put in ds3000 small face for track days and ds2500 small face for street use.
A standard brembo system of an evo 5 6 or 7 will warp also with the soft standard full face galfer brake pad keep that in mind
if you want to use full face pads go for godspeed or ctf discs
they can handle them.
of course an ap or movit system is better and it runs cooler
But not everyone can spend a fortune on a braking system
you can count me to the brake idiots because i have tested a lot of different discs and it has cost me a lot of money but you can say it's a sort of hobby of mine and guys who cannot spend a fortune on a brake system takes the benefit from all that testing what i did.
My AP 6POT with 332 grooved discs with ferodo ds2500 pads is waiting in my room to go on the evo 7 RS or if the brembo system with tecno discs does very well on track i sell them again.
regards
andre
is this qoute related to me? scoobymike
i have used two sets of ap racing calipers on subaru and evo s
i have taken place on NRing passenger seat also so i know what good brakes are
about the jun evo if you look good they only changed the caliper they are running on standard discs only the caliper is smaller and uses smaller pad.
otinik yes they squeek but on track with youre helmet on you have no problems with it
go for ds 2000 or you can use ds2500 for street use and for track daysMichael the godspeedbrakes
i have already sold those discs they are ok nothing wrong with it. Just my testing goes on
godspeedbrakes you pay 505 pounds for incl postage costs
tecno2 discs costs me 254 euro incl postage costs from italy
put in ds3000 small face for track days and ds2500 small face for street use.
A standard brembo system of an evo 5 6 or 7 will warp also with the soft standard full face galfer brake pad keep that in mind
if you want to use full face pads go for godspeed or ctf discs
they can handle them.
of course an ap or movit system is better and it runs cooler
But not everyone can spend a fortune on a braking system
you can count me to the brake idiots because i have tested a lot of different discs and it has cost me a lot of money but you can say it's a sort of hobby of mine
and guys who cannot spend a fortune on a brake system takes the benefit from all that testing what i did.My AP 6POT with 332 grooved discs with ferodo ds2500 pads is waiting in my room to go on the evo 7 RS or if the brembo system with tecno discs does very well on track i sell them again.
regards
andre
Last edited by AdvEvo; Nov 19, 2001 at 10:59 AM.
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I agree that a brake system should not run too hot to keep maximum performance. However, if I get a Movit system and it runs cooler, good for the system, but what does it do for me? I need much better bite without locking, not sure if this will be achieved with such a system since it has such softie (this is a direct reference to scoobymike's driving style ) pads. I am sure it will run cooler, but I am not sure it will bite harder than my OEM Brembo system with CTF discs and BT Pagid RS14 pads. These pads are quite hard, and the calipers are now brown which indicates overheating, so my brake system runs too hot. But it brakes well, what do I care about the colour of the calipers or the brake fluid temp??
Please explain scoobymike.
) pads. I am sure it will run cooler, but I am not sure it will bite harder than my OEM Brembo system with CTF discs and BT Pagid RS14 pads. These pads are quite hard, and the calipers are now brown which indicates overheating, so my brake system runs too hot. But it brakes well, what do I care about the colour of the calipers or the brake fluid temp??Please explain scoobymike.
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André
you know that it isn't you I'm pissed off about.
You like me bit the bullet in trying different brake setups. Shedding out loads of money and being left frustrated isn't the way I wanted to burn my hard earned.
I even gave my car for prototype testing with me taking all the assorted risk together with Gerrit. First only the discs and then the whole hog. Now due to our effort we've found a very good solution which I praise on public forums.
I even offered a promotion deal to a respected member of the MLR at a price you couldn't refuse to get another view apart from mine and Gerrits. But all of a sudden he sells his car without letting me know. So you can't do any business. But in car trade the meaning of "true and fair" almost doesn't exist anymore.
Even here in Switzerland/UK I talked to several Rally preps/tuners to promote this kit, was also trying to get a homologation etc. And that without earning one penny out of it (althoug being a banker!) just because I can stand 100% behind this product. Even a big UK distributor is interested in selling those kits due to my efforts.
Mike
you know that it isn't you I'm pissed off about.
You like me bit the bullet in trying different brake setups. Shedding out loads of money and being left frustrated isn't the way I wanted to burn my hard earned.
I even gave my car for prototype testing with me taking all the assorted risk together with Gerrit. First only the discs and then the whole hog. Now due to our effort we've found a very good solution which I praise on public forums.
I even offered a promotion deal to a respected member of the MLR at a price you couldn't refuse to get another view apart from mine and Gerrits. But all of a sudden he sells his car without letting me know. So you can't do any business. But in car trade the meaning of "true and fair" almost doesn't exist anymore.
Even here in Switzerland/UK I talked to several Rally preps/tuners to promote this kit, was also trying to get a homologation etc. And that without earning one penny out of it (althoug being a banker!) just because I can stand 100% behind this product. Even a big UK distributor is interested in selling those kits due to my efforts.
Mike
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Claudius
you can also run the Porker system with Pagid RS 14 (they're btw made by rutgers automotive). You can also run it with Ferodo, Performance Friction what ever you want.
It will beat your system in every respect. What it does for you? Read all my post here and on the MLR then you should get the clue. Not keen on writing endless essay. Talk to Movit by yourself.
Off to plan a track day at Monza
Mike
you can also run the Porker system with Pagid RS 14 (they're btw made by rutgers automotive). You can also run it with Ferodo, Performance Friction what ever you want.
It will beat your system in every respect. What it does for you? Read all my post here and on the MLR then you should get the clue. Not keen on writing endless essay. Talk to Movit by yourself.
Off to plan a track day at Monza
Mike
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Well, isn't this a nice debate!! Now my opinion: I think the point of having a bigger/better brake system is that you'll have some kind of safety margins, i.e. parts are less likely to fail through less wear and tear. Although you might have enough stopping power, it just isn't as safe for as long.
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On another note, how about moving this debate to the brake section?? I'll just open a thread if you don't mind, that way more people can participate, maybe our American friends have some magic solution
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Everyone can come to Monza. Just check on Antonio's site www.myevo.com.
I still have to wait for the results of my scan but there are already some other EVO drivers from Switzerland and maybe Italy who will come.
Let's settle this down for tonight
See ya
Mike
I still have to wait for the results of my scan but there are already some other EVO drivers from Switzerland and maybe Italy who will come.
Let's settle this down for tonight
See ya
Mike
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Michael
good point
Also the performance is longer attainable which will save you money in the end as you improve your enjoyment of the performance of your car which it is all about, isn't it
Cheers
Mike
good point
Also the performance is longer attainable which will save you money in the end as you improve your enjoyment of the performance of your car which it is all about, isn't it Cheers
Mike
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