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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 10:13 AM
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I understand all of that, however I NEVER said that I think these seats are in fact safer than stock seats... I didnt speak in an absolute.
What I did say however, is that I wanted some facts of about the testing thats done, and about the seat itself. Which was pointed out by Mantis that the welds are measured... good point, as I said.
I also said that the stock seats seam cheap being that their made simply of foam and metal etc (however I explained it, go re-read) and that it seamed logical that a seat of similar materials, but had an added feature like side protection, would be 1 more plus, no?

Sooo... in result, I never said anyones wrong or that I didnt belive anyones advice or input.
I simply asked for more/better info, and made a hypothisis based on what I knew so far... Therefore I am not ignorant, nor did I make any ignorant statements.

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I didnt lie about my accomplishments, call me egotistical but I think I have somethng to be proud of, and when I feel challenged Im reassured by reminding myself of what Im capable of.
Again, to stay on topic... Get ready for Irony!!!
The company emailed me saying that they returned the seats to the factory because there was a defect, and they want to send me good quality condition seats, so the new/better ones will be shipped in 3 days.
Im dead serious...
Ok in order for the car to be deemed legal for sale it has to pass several safety tests. These include simple things like how much damage it will sustain in a crash and of course how much harm will come to the occupants. This is done by straping a dummy into the stock seat and slamming it into some object at some speed depending the exact nature of the test. By studying the paint transfer of the dummy and the forces registered people can make conclusions about the kind of injuries that can be expected. Now then, the stock seat is designed to work with the stock safety system, this means 3 point seat belt and an airbag. In the case of a rollover the stock seat can actually bend inwards allowing the driver/passenger to be protected from the roof as it caves in. Ebay seats do not have to go through this kind of tests. All that happens is some schmuck decides to make some seats so he does. It doesn't have to go through any safety tests or anything, they could use the crappiest materials known to man and nobody would say anything. Combine this with harnesses and you're in for some serious trouble. In frontal impacts it would basically come down to the quality of the seat and the qualiy of the harness (since you have Takata this isn't an issue). However in a rollover the seat is not able to lean inwards, it is not designed to do this for one and secondly the harnesses do not allow it. This means as the roof caves in you're held sitting straight up and down. Now then, which do you think will win, your neck, or the hundreds of pounds being put on the roof? I'm sorry, but you're necks gonna snap or be compressed and that is not a good thing. Just because the stock seats aren't made of leather or suede or whatever does not mean they are not good seats. They are designed to keep your *** safe in a crash, that's it. If you want "safe" racing seats, FIA or TUV homologated seats are the way to go. These seats go through tests to ensure they can survive crashes with minimal harm coming to the occupant. Most racing teams run FIA or TUV seats because they have to, the various racing divisions got tired of cleaning chunks of human off the road so they made the rules. My statement of ignorant stands as it is perfectly fitting, you made a wrong assumption based on a complete lack of knowledge.
As for the last comment regarding your "accomplishments" you seem to have some self esteem issues if you have to comfort yourself whenever someone disagrees with you. You should simply be happy in the knowledge that 99% of the human population is stupid.

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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 10:43 AM
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i smell ownage Amby
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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I just get irritated when people get so lippy despite the fact they're putting their foot firmly up their own ***.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 11:56 AM
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u guys are retarded...
I can't believed I read 4 pages of pointless arguement... I guess I'm just bored...
1) no one said it was safer cuz it has ralliart on it... unless I missed it somewhere
just that APC sucks ***, unless you can point it out somewhere...
nor did he say it was safer than stock... his initial point about stock seats
are that they're more comfier than stock...
2) I didn't see any bashing about RRM, just that it was said to be overpriced... u guys
are so sensitive about RRM holy cow...

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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 02:27 PM
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he implied that just because they look like a racing seat they are safer than the 'cheap' stock seats. and that his person DIY work is superior to any aftermarket companys product
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 02:43 PM
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When you get in an accident.. most likey it is front impact or something of that nature. Your body will go forward, and the seatbelt restrains you, not the seat. In almost every case, you fricking leave the seat.. lol. Hasn't anyone ever been in accidents before? The only way the seat might not be as safe, would be in an accident where you were rear ended above 20+mph.. In that case, the strength of the recliner part comes into play.. the floor bolts are fine since they obviously use custom mounting brackets that are around the same quality of the stockers. The seat would bolt up fine to the mounting brackets and be strong since even the cheapest @ss racing seats still use an entire metal frame to base their seat off of.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 02:50 PM
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+1 thank you for pointing that out, that the seat doesnt hold you down, the seatbelt does and i dont think hes swapping out the seatbelt
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 03:08 PM
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He mentioned running harnesses, which combined with ebay seats (remember people these are ebay seats, the same place where people sell their virginity) is definitely not a good thing.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 03:12 PM
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ok yes we can agree that if he went with his 5 point harness it wouldnt be good. but if he just goes with the seats he will be fine.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 03:29 PM
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I stand by my original comments, I simply do not trust ebay for seats. I rather spend the extra cash and get seats from a trusted name like sparco, recaro or bride that have real racing experience and actually go the distance to test their products and stand behind them.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
I stand by my original comments, I simply do not trust ebay for seats. I rather spend the extra cash and get seats from a trusted name like sparco, recaro or bride that have real racing experience and actually go the distance to test their products and stand behind them.
Unless you go with anything other than the OEM Evo Recaro seats, everything else is worthless no matter what. They (as in any other brand) haven't been crash tested inside the lancer to see how they hold up under the conditions, that is if you want to get technical.

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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 03:43 PM
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Sparco makes brackets especially for the lancer, so they are indeed tested. Oh and the seats in the evo are recaro champ.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 03:44 PM
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i think u just got scammed
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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Sparco makes brackets especially for the lancer, so they are indeed tested. Oh and the seats in the evo are recaro champ.
thanx for the correction sport. Fixed.
Old Nov 3, 2005 | 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by twisty1251
if your soooo smart, how come your driving a Lancer ES?

those accomplishments have nothing to do about how much knowledge you have about car safety. you're the cocky punk because have to post all that irrelavent info on here just to make your self feel/look big.
Also, you can buy cheap parts, but don't compromise quality for price where it counts.

Good one... Cus every intelligent person has to drive a ferrari, cus thats what measures mental capacity... idiot.
To answer you question, "why a Lancer?"... I liked it. Period.
Yeah I feel sooo big, look at my giant woody... does it bother you that I dont feel uncomfortable claiming that I have qualities in order to defend myself when called "ignorant"... oh I forgot, only cocky self centered people do that, cool people act discouraged and call it modesty...
F*ckin' cry about it, jezis...

Marcos M. Duarte

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