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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 10:23 AM
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Front Sway?

I'm not sure if anyone else has had this question, but after a brief search I didn't really find anything. I tore apart my friend's celica this past weekend to install his turbo setup and suspension mods. He's got a really pretty set of sway bars...front and rear. I was wondering why there has been no production of front sway bar for the lancer. While I understand that this would promote understeer by stiffening up the front too much, with all the bars I have to stiffen up the rear I think my car could handle a sway bar in the front. With the rear RRM one i have right now I can still feel body roll. Anyone got any comments? flames? suggestions?
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 03:27 PM
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I agree with you. You'd think someone would make one - just for the sake of the fact that people WOULD buy it because . . . well . . . if it's marketed right, eskimos will buy ice.

But no one makes them and no one plans to. So we're stuck.

Get one custom fabricated, perhaps? Remove yours, take it somewhere, and have them make a beefier one.
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 07:25 PM
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get the upper struts... u shouldnt feel any roll then... i pretty much have all the bars except PDX trunk bar... and my car handles superbly
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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 03RallyLancer
get the upper struts... u shouldnt feel any roll then... i pretty much have all the bars except PDX trunk bar... and my car handles superbly
Trust me. You still have body roll.

I have every bar made. It does help, a lot.

But then I added the Tein coilovers. And now I understand how much body roll I still had with just the bars. The suspension makes the largest difference. But once you get into bars,

sway > strut > tie

so the sway would help more than even a K-bar would.
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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 10:43 AM
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they control completely different things. THe sway bar keeps the suspension stiff, the strt and tie bars keep the body stiff
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 11:10 AM
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they control completely different things. THe sway bar keeps the suspension stiff, the strt and tie bars keep the body stiff
yes sway ties the suspension together... sturt bars ties the body together... strut bars (and probably trunk bar) would be your best bet to get ride of body roll.
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 03RallyLancer
yes sway ties the suspension together... sturt bars ties the body together... strut bars (and probably trunk bar) would be your best bet to get ride of body roll.
No no no. The sway bar ties the suspension together. The suspension is what causes body roll. Hence, a larger sway bar reduces body roll.
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 12:31 PM
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I was always informed that body roll = the body flexing under stress
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 12:33 PM
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any evo front sway bar should fit. but i think that would definately be overkill.
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by twardOZRally
I was always informed that body roll = the body flexing under stress
I changed from the stock suspension to Tein coilovers.

TRUST ME - body roll is mainly a suspension issue. But body flex does also affect things. I'm just saying that the sway will do more.

And to further back it up, my '69 Camaro has no sway bars. Every time I make a 90-degree turn, the body hits the ground.

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any evo front sway bar should fit. but i think that would definately be overkill.
Should or does? I'd be interested in trying this...
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Blacksheepdj
Should or does? I'd be interested in trying this...
i would figure that it does, since the front end of our car is the same as the evo. you can even swap out our struts for the evo ones if you wanted.
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by petey pab
i would figure that it does, since the front end of our car is the same as the evo. you can even swap out our struts for the evo ones if you wanted.
That is an interesting idea, and I'd love to try it out too, just to see if it helps because I'm not convinced by everyone who says it won't. However, I'm sure these are rather expensive from Mitsu. And it's probably not a sure enough fit to purchase without being positive first, but that's just me.
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 01:10 PM
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We could try to find a cheap used one from an Evo owner who's upgraded...

... or who's crashed.
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... or who's crashed.
that was the first thought that came into my mind
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 01:14 PM
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Reality of life.
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