if you were getting "too much" over steer, you might wanna start modding the driver and not the car. I've got RRM front and rear strutbars and the the Progress anti-roll bar and I've never had any unwanted oversteer. Even when I have my stock wheels and tires on.

Like 03RallyLancer said, over steer is subjective. to each their own but unless you're driving hard at the track or on ice/gravel/dirt you're not suddenly gonna spin out fro ma simple right turn.

 

dont overdue it in everything. if u tighten every single area, ur car will become way too stiff. and it can get dangerous. someone told me you can start fish tailing.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about.. there is a lot of body flex on the lancer.. the stiffer the better.. and fish tailing.. dont know that i've ever done.

It's only dangerous if you dont know how to handle it. Yes if it sneaks up on you it can be dangerous, but that has never happened with me. If you are used to the car then you will know what it is going to do.

stiffening the body as much as i have is one of the best things i have done to the car.

I i'm sorry and i dont mean to come across as flaming you because that is not my intention, but i have no idea where you get this or what in the world you can base that off of, especially with the lancer! Other cars i could believe it, but the limited amount of stuff for the lancer.. i highly doubt it.

In fact i'm trying to find ways to stiffen my Sentra as much as my lancer and stay legal for my class for autox nationals.

 

dont worry man, i'm not offended, i guess i didn't say what i orignally intended to say. i personally have both the front and rear also, handles great. its because my bodyshop, the owner there knows alot about the cars, he has all kinds coming in everyday. he personally owns to converted sylvia's, and his buddy has an evo, some modded civics, 300's etc... and i even saw an r33 once.

i'm just saying that he advised me not to overstiffen the chassis cuz it can get dangrous, but then again, he drifts so it can mean if the car was for drifting. all in all, i jsut think everything should be moderately well done, and not over done, or underdone.

 

Cool, Thanks a lot for not taking it the wrong way. I understand where you are coming from and thanks a lot for explaining. I'm going to disagree IMO with him for the lancer application but I understand where he is coming from.

While chassis stiffening isnt going to make a difference compared to a suspension or upgraded roll bars, but, if you over sitffen in the from and not in the back it can cause more understeer and really stiffening the back and not the front can cause some oversteer.

But, for what is out there and how flexable the chassis is, for the purposes of this thread, I would recommend doing everything you can, of course while still staying comfortable with your driving style.

 

I got really confused by the fish tailing thing. Would you really fish tail in a front wheel drive car like the Lancer. Because from what I gather fish tailing is caused by lack of grip to the rear wheels, and I only thought it would be possible to lose enough grip in the rear to fish tail if there was alot of power being pushed to them, as in a rear wheel drive car. Like maybe you upgraded the rear suspension too much and not the front or vice versa.

Sorry if I sound stupid but I just got really confused right there.

Anyway back to the thread topic, get the special by RDD, that's what I'm doing.

 

Well technically you can fishtale.. say you are on a loose surface like dirt. If the front has more grip than the rear when you are turning the rear end will slip out pretty quick (usually only on a loose surface). now you countersteer to conpensate for the this but you and it comes back in. But say you countersteer too much, the rear end will swing back too far.. etc etc.. In theory it can happen, but typically it does not.

 

I think you were slightly mistaken. I only got the extra oversteer after I had gone to the -2.25 front camber and only -1 rear while running the rear shocks full stiff and the fronts very soft with 52 psi in the rear tires and 44 in the fronts. Even then, it wasn't overkill as much as it was me not prepared for the car to finally stop it's pushing, so I lost it in a corner. Until then, I was suffering terribly from understeer in autocross but was perfect on the track. Autocross, btw always requires even more oversteer than a track or street driving.

My response to the original question agrees with Mitsuboi, all of those bars do very little to your handling. The combination of all four will still be barely noticeable, and they will reduce body roll but not give you more oversteer. A tech inspector once looked at my shiny RRM K bar and asked "do you notice much help from it?" I told him not a bit and he was like "at least you're honest" He knew as well as I did that a strut bar right next to a firewall is little more than a pretty decoration. Number one in tuning your suspension is camber!

 

Thank you for clarifying that XTX. I didn't even think about the dirt part. I was thinking you guys were referring to driving on a track on a hot day. I understand now.

 

You can still fishtail on pavement. Oversteer, drifting, fishtailing are really all different types of the same thing: the rear wheels coming loose before the fronts. It is harder to get a FWD to "fishtale", but very possible. For the newbies to oversteer, RWD cars get oversteer by hitting the rear wheels with excessive power to break them loose. FWD cars on the other hand, have to let off the gas to get the same effect. And since someone is going to wonder, AWD acts a lot like a FWD but can use throttle induced oversteer if driven properly.

And excessive oversteer is only dangerous to the idiot who doesn't learn how to drive first and then drives through city streets and canyons at the brink of control. I do think you can have too much oversteer, though. That means the rear tires are not getting enough traction, causing you to slow down in order to negoatiate a corner or go sideways for too long (which slows you down). Most autocrossers and road course racers agree that the ideal setup will have the rear tires beak loose just a tad more easily than the fronts. Drifters like more than that, of course.

 

btw my Lancer had much more oversteer stock than it ever did after lowering it (thanks to the positive camber it had) and was even easier to drive that way. Not faster, but easier to control the drift.

 

I agree with urbanknight, i USED to have the K-bar on my car, then I took it off because it would bump me up to a different and more competitive class in autox. I did one of the two days of an instructional autocross with the k-bar, came back the next day without it. I'll tell you honestly that I didn't really notice anything. MAYBE a slightly less crisp feel to turn in.

I doubt you will be in a situation where oversteer will be a problem for you. Unless you pull the e-brake in a hard turn, or take a REALLY hard turn and SLAM on the brakes, you will most likely not have a problem with it. That's of course, on the street.

If you're taking this to an autocross, the extra little stiffness can help on long, sweeping corners. I usually induce oversteer by lifting off and is just the way I like it.

But modding your car is fun, and talking about all the parts you have on your car is also fun. So have fun whatever you choose!

 

Very true, because we all know how much horsepower I got from the carbon fiber eyelids and reflectors!!!