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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 03:15 PM
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The overview of One Lap is no longer on Vishnu's site, or it's been moved.

To the best of my recollection, the car did oust some high-powered Porsches, and in some cases, had some first overall (not class, OVERALL) finishes. However, they went for broke, and never ran the car that hard again. I believe most of the insanity occurred on Day 2, after Day 1's abysmal performance on the skidpad due to a tight diff. I believe the car finished 4th overall, which considering the price, is respectable.

However, to quote a Porsche driver when asked where his tools were, "Tools? I don't need any, it's a Porsche!". Can't say that for the Evo, which at the very least had its suspension loosen up considerably over the week.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 03:33 PM
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http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/porsc...e_options.html

I tell you what, for $181,795 I will build you the greatest EVOLUTION this world will ever see. Honestly, everyone that thinks this could not be done has another thing coming. Lets put a quick idea together:

2.4L
1000cc injectors
fuel pumps
intercooler
manifolds
topend work
built tranny
built Xfer case
clutch
280-cams
camgears
piping
suspension
wheels
brakes
engine management
oil alterations
fuel alterations
weight reduction
gauges
exhaust (a total of 3' of 5")
drive shaft
axles
wheels and tires

come on! if each of those mods were $5000, you could still have enough money for a down payment on a house.

On a budget, i BET ANYONE you could build a better car than a GT2 out of an evo for less than $50K INCLUDING cost of car. Honestly, some one give me the money and the time, and i will call my good friend in FL and build it. I also bet it could be tuned to run faster and still have mechanical longevity.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 03:52 PM
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I'm sorry, but "Porsche" and "reliable" do not belong in the same sentence. If I'm not mistaken, that Sparco built evo already beats the GT2 in every catagory except top speed, (albeit on race gas and R-compound rubber) so there ya go.
when it comes to the 911, even older ones, that statement is just plain ignorant. yes, the 99's had some cooling problems, but you can drive a 993 for 200k miles and do a lot less maintenance and repairs than you would on an evo over the same number of miles. imo every 911 from 1984 on w/good routine maintenance can be daily driven for years and tons of miles without a major failure. in fact, a friend of mine has been racing a highly modded 77 turbo regularly for about 5+ years now and has only gone through the motor 2 times (only one of those was because it broke) and that car is making about 650+ hp at the motor.

car is at: www.kennedymotorsport.com
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 04:32 PM
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when it comes to the 911, even older ones, that statement is just plain ignorant. yes, the 99's had some cooling problems, but you can drive a 993 for 200k miles and do a lot less maintenance and repairs than you would on an evo over the same number of miles. imo every 911 from 1984 on w/good routine maintenance can be daily driven for years and tons of miles without a major failure. in fact, a friend of mine has been racing a highly modded 77 turbo regularly for about 5+ years now and has only gone through the motor 2 times (only one of those was because it broke) and that car is making about 650+ hp at the motor.

car is at: www.kennedymotorsport.com

Sure, when you're sporting an over-built racing motor it'll last quite some time, and I'll also grant you that the majority of my Porsche experience is with significantly older models. Most of the old coots that hang around with my grandfather do drive porsches, (including one with a '96 911) and I'll I ever hear them talk about is how they are wrenching on their busted cars. I didn't say they were worse than an evo either.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 04:44 PM
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Boy, this discussion reminds me back in HS when the H&A boys in their early accords and 'tegras trying to duke it out w/ the pony cars (late 80 to early 90's). Now, the price tag has up the ante w/ different makes.

Then, an heavily modded evo will never have the same resale value of a GT2. This is the same for those Supra TT pulling 800-1000 WHP w/ NOS and claiming to hit under 210 mph. Don't believe those Supra exists in the US . . . search them on the net.

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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by turbonutter
Sure, when you're sporting an over-built racing motor it'll last quite some time, and I'll also grant you that the majority of my Porsche experience is with significantly older models. Most of the old coots that hang around with my grandfather do drive porsches, (including one with a '96 911) and I'll I ever hear them talk about is how they are wrenching on their busted cars. I didn't say they were worse than an evo either.
i don't think a 3.2 liter carrera motor with stock internals running 1.5 bar of boost is over-built, but as it turns out, it is reliable.
in any event, if you really want a fast unreliable car, my choice is an 3rd gen rx-7. sure it will run mid to low 12's on street tires with $3k in mods, will handle great and looks beautiful, but you'll be fixing it every 2-3 weeks. this i can tell you from experience. oh yeah, it's for sale if anyone is interested.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by M3this
Maybe.


I cant afford a GT2 ... so why not build the next best thing for less then 1/2 the cost?

No really thou ... I personally feel the GT2 is the ultimate car .. if I can make an evo close to it, while beating regular 996T thats would be sweet! and great fun.

Can you imagine pulling up next to a new 996T owner that thinks he is bad ***, but really dosnt know jack about cars and smoking his ***? How much fun would that be
I agree with you 100%.
I owned Porsches and I can tell you that you need to be a hell of a driver in order to beat a Evo on the streets, the Evo is so much more balanced than the Porsche and it is much easier to drive.
I ran an Evo one day and yes on the straight it was no history, my 996TT was pulling away, but when I had to take 90 degrees corner then....it was almost humiliating and I am not a slow driver.
On the track it is a different matter, Porsches has been designed for years to compete on the racetrack and that is the ultimate Porsche experience, EVOs can beat them but they need to be heavily modified.
I modded my car and on race gas I have the same performance than 996TT (did a test with friend of mine... he was surprised that he couls not beat me on straightways ), now my goal is to get to that level on pump gas...stay tuned...
One more thing: it is so much fun when you beat one of those exotic cars
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 05:15 PM
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EVEVERYONE, LOOK, HOW MUCH IS AN GT2????? A LOT OF MONEY.... IT IS UNFAIR TO BEGIN WITH FROM THE FACTORY, IN JAPAN OUR GOVERNMENT LIMITS THE HP TO 280 hp if we can have that restricition removed then our cars will have a lot more power and better performance. the price of GT2 and evo is much different. think about it, porsche put so much money to develop this car, but if you put the same amout of money into a evo, trust me this car will definiety kiss 911's ***, even GT1 the fastest evo right now can do 9's 1/4, ferarri can't do that, porsche can't do that, the only setback for evo is the top speed, it can't beat the european car but if you really want to compete top then you have to change the final drive ratio on our transmission but that will slow the car down a bit. guys the 6 speed on the MR is a more close ratio transmission it doesn't give more top speed you must realize that... I have seen where they test the top speed between 5 and 6 speed evo on Fugi speedway, two cars are about the same. the most important is the final drive ratio.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 05:31 PM
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wow i beat one on the freeway like a month ago, after i slowed down he came up and looked at car then put his hand over the left side of his face so he couldnt look at him and laugh. then again my car aint near stock either
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 05:39 PM
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wow i beat one on the freeway like a month ago, after i slowed down he came up and looked at car then put his hand over the left side of his face so he couldnt look at him and laugh. then again my car aint near stock either

Thats funny
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 05:53 PM
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hehe gotta love the RnR GT35R kit = P
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 06:59 PM
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Then, an heavily modded evo will never have the same resale value of a GT2. This is the same for those Supra TT pulling 800-1000 WHP w/ NOS and claiming to hit under 210 mph. Don't believe those Supra exists in the US . . . search them on the net.

GT2 has ****ty resale value.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 07:13 PM
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Well if you had a heavily modded Evo that is a porsche destroyer would you sell it?
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 09:01 PM
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it doesnt take much for our evo's to beat a porsche..it also doesnt take much money to match the HP level on the GT2 and on the evo...when people say "heavily moddified" i do not know what they mean. That statement makes our cars sound real slow!
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 09:05 PM
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eh, people are just underestimating the power of the evo! my boss actually has a pretty new 911t. i'll ask him if he wants to race and gamble for a raise i told him about the evo and he keeps telling me that i would need to mod it like crazy before i could even get close to hanging with his car.
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