30 years from now the Challenger will be worth much more than the Camaro, History will repeat itself. Challenger, without a doubt!

 

Camaro, photos don't do it justice, looks absolutely bad *** in person.

 

Challenger and I am a huge Camaro fan. The only problem is the Challenger is rumored to weigh a lot. So Ill wait till i see a production version before I get my money ready.

 

American car makers need to learn about weight reduction that new challenger is close to 4000 lbs. but they both look great.

 

Both are great looking cars and if I had to pick based on "looks", Challenger gets the edge...

On the other hand...
Both cars have a longer wheelbase than an EVO, yet will likely be less roomy, get worse gas milage, don't go any faster, horrible in bad weather, quality from either will be worse than Mitsu, blah blah blah....

 

Camaro

 

Again, as a mitsubishi owner I'm appalled at the false japanese bias. Mitsubishi is not a top manufacturer.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7086
http://www.jdpower.com/presspass/pr/...04037afull.gif

Honda and Toyota anchor the Japanese companies. Nissan and Mitsubishi are anchors.

GM is ranked average or better more often than not. Too many brands to count but the most important one is Chevy at 119.

European automakers are also riding out the end of a wave of positive press. The bias against American automakers is absurd.

Another link that I choose not to show (from 2002, too far back to be of much value) placed a number of American models among the top three in class in nearly 20 total classifications. Mitsubishi had zero.

 

I like the retro interior in the Challenger but the exterior has to go to the Camaro. Man I can see it now, every guido in nj and ny are going to be getting one of those.

 

I like the camaro.

I feel that the J.D Power IQS (initial quality study) is kinda a joke, it ranks car quality by the first 90 days. So the parts just need to last 90 days to get a good review.

Here is a quote from this article: http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=7086

"These days, even the worst models on the IQS list are relatively problem-free. Some defects, such as blown engines and transmissions, have virtually vanished from the survey forms owners fill out for Power. In a way, that's making the IQS almost irrelevant."

 

no. reliability is only one aspect of intelligent design. american companies continue to suck a$$ in ergonomics, quality of interior fit and finishes, and noise/vibration/harshness, not to mention driving dynamics.

please don't try to argue that US car companies are up to par in these areas, because it's obvious to anyone who's driven your average GM, chrysler or ford product that they're not. these companies occasionally get one right (e.g. chrysler 300) but more often than not, their "designs" are pathetic updates of even more pathetic platforms (e.g. the new taurus, whatever it's called).

 

The Challenger is one sharp looking carand will apparently do 175 mph with the 6.1 Hemi. Guaranteed they'll be a big crowd around that at the NY Auto Show. The Camaro? A big disappointment. I have to agree with some others who say it looks like a Cadillac Coupe.

 

Camaro...

challenger weighs 4160lbs... but hey, muscle weighs more than fat.. rofl.. gg dodge.

 

CHALLENGER!!! it looks badass

 

I love the Camaro when I saw it at NAIAS. The challenger was ok.

 

Ergonomics is a subjective area and you should be embarrassed with yourself for mentioning it.
As for the rest, I drive my girlfriend's Eclipse every day. Without doing the research I think it's safe to say that this is one of the highest volume models in the Mitsubishi line.
It is a wretched car. Suck a$$ ergonomics, poor quality interior fit and finish, noisy, full of vibration, harsh, and poor driving dynamics. In short, it is everything that you applied to American cars and more. Bolts falling out and windows falling down, the rear bumper sticks OUT almost a quarter inch further than the rear quarter panel...

It's an '03 with less than 45,000 miles on it. No excuse for this.

I could also turn your stomache with stories of my own Eclipse, 90 GST.

It's a fact. Mitsubishi is a bad car company. EVO's fare slightly better of course, but so do Corvettes and Cadillacs (and Buicks apparently).



As for the europeans, I'm not the first person to notice that MB and VW (in particular) have been experiencing decreasing reliability issues. My own bad experiences with VW coupled with a VERY poor long term experience with an Audi A4 have given me reason to believe it's the truth.

Then I see that the american 'junk cars' that I've been introduced to have all been rock solid. A saturn SC, Escort, Taurus, Spirit, Cirrus, Camaro, Mustang, Cherokee.... all are examples of American cars that didn't necessarily impress, but definately didn't choke the way some of the foreign cars did. All worked as designed for the length of time that I was around them.


I jumped in here because I think it's unfortunate that Chevy carries a poor quality stigma which isn't entirely deserved while Mitsubishi carries a high quality reputation which DEFINATELY isn't earned. Toyota is good. Honda is good. Chevy is average. Mitsubishi is bad. Both my experiences and supported by the findings of an independant research firm.