Jasil...No problem, im only stating the obvious. Of course there are Evo's out there that will pull Z06's easily but not most with average bolt ons. I know if I get the WORKS water/meth kit and even lets say a 20g or WR etc it would be a very good race. But with the basic bolt ons Evo's dont stand a chance. The Z06 is a beat especially when you get into higher speeds, the freakin thing just keeps pulling

 

THanks for posting a truthfull account of first hand experience. Maybe this will make some EVO fanbois open their eyes a little bit, although I doubt it. There is one thing you say "Of course there are Evo's out there that will pull Z06's easily", but it should say: "there are some Evo's out there that will pull some Z06's easily"
The truth is that as nice as EVOs are, they are no match for the Z06 or any number of other high performance cars. I'm very happy with the performance of my '05 MR and I loved my old '03 EVO VIII (although it got totally screwed up by modifying it). However, I know that it's not the end all, final word on cars. The EVOs are nice, low cost, high performance cars that excel on and off the track. But compared to a number of other cars (namely the Z06) they are neither invincible or the best at any particular test with the possible exception of the 600 foot slalom. There was an actual shootout between 10 high performance cars including the EVO VIII (See the Motor Trend June 03 issue). Granted, that was an '03 EVO, but the other cars were also '03 models and they were all stock.....

 

I've been preaching that for a long time man. I love my EVO too I bought it out of necessity though (4 kids) it's still a great car, but if I were single or it was just the wife and I there wouldn't be a EVO in the garage.

 

It's winter!

 

c6 vettes are no joke. If your evo is stock, don't plan on running one and winning. And the c6 zo6, don't even try.

 

I'll Stick with my Econo Box.

 

Frankly I'm glad to see some good thoughtful posts on this subject. It's not often that you'll see reasonable opinions posted in these kinds of forums. For a while there it looked like it was going to go the way the Miata forum discussions go... "The Miata will outrun any car..", "with $5K in mods my Miata will destroy an EVO", "I was driving with an EVO the other day and I totally dominated him on the twisties, ha, ha, ha"..... "I ran a twin turbo Porsche and beat him easily with my stock Miata"..... Etc., etc. They just go on and on ... Those Miata fan bois make the silliest of EVO fan bois sound downright reasonable and mature Oh, BTW, I love Miatas too.. I actually have a pretty nice 1st gen Miata... Bur really, there is no way a Miata can take an EVO except in the most specialized of courses and with a terrific driver..

 

Granted I have only had my EVO IX for 2 weeks and just over 700 miles now... But I was driving down Olympic tonight heading westbound just past Beverly Glen (West LA guys) ... My EVO is still bone stock.. and this C6 started tailing me.. I felt a little tempted to play.. so we were both 1st behind the next red light, heard him revving.. (me not knowing how to launch the EVO right, got a descent launch).. up to about 70mph and he was 2-3 car lengths in front of me... They are pretty fast...

My S2k doesnt feel much slower than the EVO.. Both cars getting a good launch, the EVO wouldnt rape it... One of the best things from the S2k is the gearbox, feels awesome.

 

To stay on topic of how fast a bone stock C6 is. C6 drivers are seeing 0-60 4.2 -4.5 @ 112-115mph traps. Depening on driver, tires, track condtions etc.

Top speed is 186mph as GM states.

C6 vs Evo STOCK. First off they are two different cars period. C6 a 2dr, RWD sports car. Evo a 4dr AWD sports sedan.

Both cars are great performance cars Stock and both are easy to mod.

 

There's no such thing as speed limit on our evo.

 

street race is not condoned on this forum. i feel like a broken record.

but yea a stock c6 will face rape a stock Evo. a tuned IX with bolt-ons and no cams would still get eaten alive after you put the Evo in 5th gear. 5th gear just slows things down a lot for us, whereas the Vette just keep pulling with a sub .30 coefficient of drag and long assed gearings.

we maybe be able to achieve 170mph, but the rate we get there (we need to use 5th to get from 110mph to 170 (talking about a IX here), whereas the Vettes use 2 or 3 to get tehre.) is much slower than the vettes.

 

I agree with most everyone else the C6 will take most Evos from a roll. The Z06 (newest) one is just insane and shouldn't be messed with unless you don't mind losing.

 

I have driven evos fast... 150+ many times and moddified as well.. there is no comparison in top end speed.. the vette gets to 170 like the evo gets to 100... its completely effortless.. the z51 has a top speed of 186 from the factory adding a supercharger will move the top speed in teh 210mph area..while the evo is a simply incredible performance formula.. it does lack something called aerodynamics which are a big part of top speed. I was just tuned yesterday with basic bolt ons from a special formula i came up with.. im pretty sure I have the best sounding c6 on the planet as no one else has this setup.. sounds like vintage 60s muscle car and its actually almost identical to the challenger proto type that I had the chance to see on the road last year!

I was pulling bus lengths (multiple) on m3s before.. who seem to love a challenge, cant wait to see what happens now!
I didnt have a baseline.. but a stock c6 dynos in the 345 range for an m6...the c5 z06 is a faster in all aspects stock for stock and always pulls a car length or two..look what happens no that the exhaust is opened up.. Cubic inches take over.. the tq difference! the c5 z06 shown is tuned with an exhaust and intake and a few other supporting mods on the same dyno.

we should be glad that the vette doesnt sit alone as being the best bang for your buc anymore... the evo fits more peoples lifestyles and offers the same kind of performance for dollar as this car. BTW.. I would hate to drive the vette daily, the evo is more fun for commuting.

 

Thats actually only the z51 that tops at at 186.. there is no top speed set for standard m6s or automatics.. they are both slower... the z51 has more useful gearing.. the standard c6 is geared up until 266mph in 6th gear! 6th gear is for fuel economy only.. The gearing on evos is super low, put that type of geaing on the c6 and you will hit 200mph no problem as 6th gear can actually be used.

Im hoping im around 195mph top speed right now lol.. running the salt flats this summer!

Any stock turbo evo IX should be pretty much bantha fodder with the power im making now.

Once the ls3 hits in 2008.. watch out when they update the heads and intake on the current ls2 to the new ones and add a cam to the mix, two cars in the last week have made 480whp+.. thats another 90whp gain for $2500 in hardware. on the ls3..cam, headers, intake, tune should get near 480+ as well.


And Iv tried my best to do some dyno racing so one could really understand what is needed to be faster.. the dyno numbers im using for AWD are based on super low reading california mustang dynos.. not awd dynojets...according to my bench racing just for fun.. you would need 335whp (mustang dyno) to run dead even with a c6 from a roll

There would be no exact conversion, but if you took the most conservative conversion it would be 335whp.... now by the numbers the avg difference between stock c6 mustang numbers and the synergy dyno is 8%. (317vs345) .. apply this 8% back to my dyno at synergy = 362whp on a mustang dyno.... add 16% drivetrain loss back to the the 393 and you get 456 BHP.

16% of the stock 400bhp is exactly 345whp...

If you work the whole formula backwards from the awd perspective using 22% drivetrain loss due to awd then @ 310awhp, the engines would have the same effeciency...

now.. account for that 6% drivetrain loss I gave up and to have a chance running with this car from a roll given the same weight and aerodynamic effeciency, you would need apx. 329whp...better add another 5whp in there just to account for aerodynamic and weight advantage.. so one would need 334whp to run dead even from a roll.

 

stock C6 will trap ~114-115mph
stock C6 z06 will trap ~124-126mph

Figure out how much HP you need to trap those traps in order to pull on one on the highway.

A local guy had 510awhp and he about 1/2 ahead of the c6 z06.