The new RSX-type R (still ITR in Japan) should be sweet, but heavier...don't know how would it perform...

 

And this is from personal experience? "seriously take out a ITR?" Sure buddy, whatever floats your boat. When you say couple bolt-on's...what do you mean exactly? I/H/E? Please explain further...because a GS-R with a couple bolt-ons WILL NOT "seriously take out a ITR". So I have no idea what your talking about. Please refrain from uneducated opinions because there are a lot of impressionable minds on the net.

 

you need 25hp just to match the hp of a itr

 

OMG! That's your answer? Just 25HP? What about shorter gearing in the ITR as opposed to GSR's? What about limited-slip? What about better tires (RE010's)? What about overall lighter weight than the GSR? Etc... And that's only for straightline acceleration over the GSR. HP isn't all the end all of everything. There's A LOT that goes into what makes a car faster than another car besides pure HP numbers.

Ok, so you match the 25HP on a GSR. Do you think it'll hang with the ITR in the 1/4? Try again please. The tranny has so much to do with the power delivery...the ITR will still walk on the GSR.

 

ok i was a agreeing with you but whatever

i'll continue bashing my head into my desk now

 

ok. Hard to sense a person's attitude when posting. My bad.

 

GSR w/ i/h/e would be around the same as a ITR but u gonna have to strap on a LSD too. GSR runs mid to low 15s, ITR runs mid to high 14s. and ITR w/ ODB1 and i/h/e will run low 14s easily. The 5th gen and 4th gen vtec prelude runs mid 15s to low 15s. A Prelude would still edge out a GSR by couple hundredths of a second or less. Yeah to obtain these good times the driver has to know how to get the most out of vtec, ie launching the car while in vtec and shifting couple hundred rpms after u hit the red line. Some times even 1000 more rpms after u hit the redline mark example the prelude, to get those low 15s like 15.1 or even 15.0 you gotta be launching it at around 5,500rpms to 6,000rpms and shifting gears at around 7,400rpms. Doing a drag run on car w/ vtec you have to stay in vtec the whole time.
The GSR is a good car . Although I say Prelude

 

Damn. Right on the money. Couldn't have explained it better myself. LSD makes a night and day difference when launching a FWD car. I remember the "lovely" Front wheel hop on my Prelude.

 

This is not from personal experience but from reading what others have done on the other Honda forums. I absolutely agree with Plucky. I should have clarified what I meant by bolt-ons. I guess if you didn’t catch that I didn’t say basic bolt Ons, but I said bolt on’s. I’m guessing, you, evoorsti, catching what I wrote, also tell me, you jumped to conclusions very quickly when it comes to cars. Instead of being a donkey “because there are a lot of impressionable minds on the net.” Why not just ask, “What exactly do you mean by “bolt ons”, Angels of Evo?” Does it make you proud to point out things in a negative way? Maybe your judgments portray your cultural background and the people who were around you.

Check it out an Acura Integra GS-R cost $22,000 out the door if you are an extremely well negotiator. Believe that when I see these cars on the Sunday news paper that go for invoice because the dealer overstocks on the mass produced GS-R. An ITR cost $22,045 at invoice, with tax, license, and documentation fee it is roughly $1,500 that makes a total of $23,500. If you can get this car with zero miles at this price which I REALLY doubt, then all the better for you. I offered the dealer 25,000 for the ITR and they still refused, the same Acura dealership offered me 22000 out the door for the GS-R. No, I didn’t buy an ITR or a GS-R, if you are wondering. The invoice cost and tax price were all gathered at www.Cars.com.

My case and point, Bolt On to me means not touching the internals of the engine or transmission. I consider installing AEM pulleys is a bolt on, removal of the throttle body, the intake and exhaust manifolds, spark plug wires, spark plugs, exhaust (Cat back or axle back). The list goes on and on, I guess people who do not feel comfortable working on their own car considers everything on their car not a bolt on since they have to pay a pro to do the job. The two terms, basic bolt on and bolt on are often used loosely and people get all up **** with it. Greddy considers their turbo application a bolt on kit same with AEM’s Cold air intake. When do we draw the line of what a bolt on is or isn’t?

A Greedy bolt on turbo kit for a 94-99 GS-R cost $2,404.26 here http://www.groupbuycenter.com, with Adam who is a reputable business man from what others have said. Let’s say you buy a GS-R and want to take out an ITR. You consider basic bolt’s which will add an additional 10 horsepower to the wheels. You can instead buy a Greedy Turbo bolt on kit that Includes - Cast Mani, FCU, 320 cc inj, Air Intake, piping, hoses oil lines and misc. hardware stated at the Greedy website at www.greedy.com. The car will make 235.2 whp with the basic bolt on turbo kit at 7 psi as stated by Greedy. The ITR puts down 170 whp stock from dynos by people at other forums such as the Integra Type R forum at www.Honda-acura.net. Gez, I wonder whos going to win at the quarter? EVO

I found a neat program that produces Hp figures by the quarter mile time and weight of the car. Since the curb weight is 2667 I added 200 lbs for the driver which makes a total 2867 lbs and I played with the quarter mile times till I got 235 fwhp. Here’s the linkHP Calculator

A smart shopper would buy a GS-R and a Turbo kit which makes a total of $24500 for a car that puts out 235.2 fwhp. A WRX and ITR doesn’t even come close to those numbers at whp. The Dealer marked up to $28,000 when I looked for an ITR. I know a friend who has a black 01 ITR, bought his car for $27,000 out the door. He royally got screwed IMO. If you want to say more me pm me.

After typing all this crap, I didn’t see the point in all of this because we all know,



later,
Angels of Evo


can't have that pic here

 

Shouldn't this go under the forum aptly titled "Other Cars"?

 

I think for a drag car, the gsr is better since it's cheaper and once you mod them both, you've lost the advatages the ITR originally had.

Having owned both, I can say that I feel the ITR is 10x better at everything, stock for stock. I don't really drag race so my comments speak more towards those who do track days, but I have run my ITR at a dragstrip and ran consistent 14.8s w/ crappy 2.3 60ft times. That was a stock setup with 130lb cage in it as well so it is a very fast car for the 1/4, although I think it's a waste to just use it for that.

On the track the ITR suspension is gold compared to the GSR. The GSR understeers sooo much in stock form. The ITR is very point and shoot, and a slight lift will nudge the tail to correct with ease. You can also get right on the power in the ITR thanks to the LSD where the GSR just hops and crys. Add to that the better gearing, extra hp, and stiffer chassis and it's well worth the value.

My old GSR with an AEM and Greddy exhaust dynoed around 150hp vs. my stock ITR w/ ~2400 miles at 163hp.

I don't have a scan of my gsr, but here's the ITR dyno:


Mark

 

Holy crap. $27K for an ITR?!?! Ummm...yeah, your right, he did get screwed. We paid under MSRP...about $23K and some change with a decent amount of add-ons (alarm, mud guards, wheel locks, extended warranty, etc.) with zero miles.

The ITR appeals to a different audience. If one want's to make gobs of HP and drag race, then the GS-R would be the smarter choice. But if a person wants to autocross or road-race with little to no modification, ITR is the way to go. You know how much it costs to seam-weld a car? A lot. ITR comes like that from the factory. Did you also know the braking system in the ITR is is 2lbs lighter on each corner? Plus it's a better system comparing it to the GS-R. I can go on and on about the difference between the ITR and the GS-R but i'm sure everyone knows. With all the facts and info...it's amazing how much more car you got over the GS-R. Take a GS-R and bring it up to ITR specs...it's just impossible to do with a budget of $3K. Not to mention it's still not a Type R. It's all my personal opinion of course. Anything you can do to an GS-R, you can replicate on a ITR. Why not start off from a better platform? However, to turbo a ITR and strictly make it into a drag racer...you've honestly butchered any purpose the car had from the get-go.

 

yea.. u see the celica gts..
180hp
6 speed
stock times
0-60 = 6.6
1/4 = 14.9
curb weight: 2500

and by the way.. a gsr does not do a mid 14 to high 14s no matter how good the driver is.. if this is the case.. how come the rsx type s (gsr replacement) runs similar times.. and has 30 more hp than the gsr..
the gsr will run mid low-mid 15s
the itr runs mid 14s
the s2k i know is faster than the R.. its just hard to drive .. but since i dont know much bout the s2k.. i dont really know whatusp with them..

 

yes now u know wat ur talking about..

the itr is a mid-high 14 second car stock.. but remember the itr was not meant to be a drag car.. it's a track car.. as said above.. and u always have to keep in mind that driver is everything.. this statement goes so true with the new celica gts 6 speeds.. as a past owner i know how hard is it to drive this car correctly.. so look for times baesd on a driver that knows how to drive..

 

yup they sure can.. as with any car if ur willing to put money into it..
a *few* bolt ons however are something i doubt that will get it to high 13s.. a few.. i would consider are intake, exhaust, headers.. and even then i dont think they can run high 13s.. but probably low-mid-14s..
as a 2000 celica gts with just cai can hit 14.3..
but with the huge aftermarket honda has.. its easy to get it in the 13s..