Chevrolet Cobalt SS Coupe Time Attack
Dec 23, 2006, 08:03 AM
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And all of these cars have a ton of factory support. I can guarantee you that if I had Subaru's factory support that I'd walk every single Evo on Evo M. With money like that, there's no excuse not to be able to.
Think about it. GM Vs. Average Joe Tuner. That's like comparing Bill Gates' paycheck to that of a McDonalds employee's.
Think about it. GM Vs. Average Joe Tuner. That's like comparing Bill Gates' paycheck to that of a McDonalds employee's.
The car is using similar parts that every other car probably used -- sparco seats, aftermarket wheels/tires, ~30 more HP than stock, a nitrous system, roll cage, fuel cell, Ohlins shock absorbers, springs, sway bars, exhaust, stock brakes etc.
The other cars were engineered better from the factory with much more aftermarket support and years of tuning. All the parts used for the Cobalt will be available and GM will probably release the tuning specs like they did for the 1000hp+ Ecotec. You can see some of the build up here: http://powellmotorsport.com/modules....bum.php&page=1
Dec 23, 2006, 09:01 AM
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Lets be realistic here.
The car is using similar parts that every other car probably used -- sparco seats, aftermarket wheels/tires, ~30 more HP than stock, a nitrous system, roll cage, fuel cell, Ohlins shock absorbers, springs, sway bars, exhaust, stock brakes etc.
The other cars were engineered better from the factory with much more aftermarket support and years of tuning. All the parts used for the Cobalt will be available and GM will probably release the tuning specs like they did for the 1000hp+ Ecotec. You can see some of the build up here: http://powellmotorsport.com/modules....bum.php&page=1
The car is using similar parts that every other car probably used -- sparco seats, aftermarket wheels/tires, ~30 more HP than stock, a nitrous system, roll cage, fuel cell, Ohlins shock absorbers, springs, sway bars, exhaust, stock brakes etc.
The other cars were engineered better from the factory with much more aftermarket support and years of tuning. All the parts used for the Cobalt will be available and GM will probably release the tuning specs like they did for the 1000hp+ Ecotec. You can see some of the build up here: http://powellmotorsport.com/modules....bum.php&page=1
GM has already commented that they are going to be offering a lot of the parts on that car for public distribution.
Dec 23, 2006, 09:29 AM
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The build-up of the Cobalt was on the first season of 'Street Tuner Challenge'. The motor stuff is 'off the shelf'. The suspension work most certainly is not! Relocating suspension points, and making custom components and whatnot is not something even a tuner shop can do easily.
And for the Time Attack where many of the small shops were towing in cars on trailers behind trucks, GM rolled in with 2 full semi's with a whole team for support.
This goes to show what GM engineers can do given a blank check, too bad they aren't allowed to do what they want on the passenger cars.....
And for the Time Attack where many of the small shops were towing in cars on trailers behind trucks, GM rolled in with 2 full semi's with a whole team for support.
This goes to show what GM engineers can do given a blank check, too bad they aren't allowed to do what they want on the passenger cars.....
Dec 23, 2006, 09:38 AM
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Domestic companies have the ability to make decent cars. They just usually choose not to do it. You can throw a whole bunch of money at any car and make it fast as hell! It is the factory stock quality and performance that counts.
I do have high hopes for the new SRT-4, since it will have the same platform and engine as the Evo X.
I do have high hopes for the new SRT-4, since it will have the same platform and engine as the Evo X.
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Dec 23, 2006, 03:52 PM
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Yeah, those 'Vettes, V-series Caddies, and kappa cars are really lacking.
Dec 23, 2006, 03:56 PM
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Umm, the Cobalt SS S/C is a "decent" car stock. Check out Car and Driver's Lightning Lap where it ran a MUCH MUCH faster lap time than the GTi, Civic Si and MX-5.
Dec 23, 2006, 08:11 PM
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Dec 24, 2006, 02:42 PM
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It depends on what your budget is. Not many sport compacts for $21k will easily outperform the GTi/Civic Si. I can think of 2 -- the Cobalt SS and Mazdaspeed 3. Additionally, for ~$500 you can upgrade to the GM stage 2 kit which makes 240-245 whp AND keeps the warranty. Not bad an entry level sport compact.
Dec 24, 2006, 02:44 PM
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It depends on what your budget is. Not many sport compacts for $21k will easily outperform the GTi/Civic Si. I can think of 2 -- the Cobalt SS and Mazdaspeed 3. Additionally, for ~$500 you can upgrade to the GM stage 2 kit which makes 240-245 whp AND keeps the warranty. Not bad an entry level sport compact.
Dec 24, 2006, 03:22 PM
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How many 'normal' guys modify the suspension mounting points though? I also believe the Cobalt TT car required custom hubs also. Some guys will go to the extent of changing the tie-rod geometry to fix bump steer, but not too many guys are welding new mounting points to their chassis.
Dec 24, 2006, 03:37 PM
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Again, compared to what? A $34,000+ STi? A $40,000+ Corvette? A $35,000 G35? Lets just throw out price. By your logic, 99.99% of cars on the market handle bad when you dip into a corner......compared to a Carrera GT.