your so right! Even in the worst case scenario.. if the cts v picked up the ls3...so all that tq in the cts-v would probably be enough.. but most likely,we will see an ls7 under they hood..

ls7> this motor... I dont care how you spin it.

The car should be impressive on the track... but correct me if im wrong, the reason why is because you have a really nice sweet spot across all the gears... but that doesnt mean its gonna pull hard, thats more for road course and backroad use... also like I mentioned, top speed of 175mph only. Higher reving engines normally have the advantage of a higher top speed over tq engines... The awd on the RS4 is probably killing top end acceleration, but i think we are all slightly partial to AWD around here.. I mean clearly the RS4 has its advantages in any kind of weather situation.

There coming out with a sedan variant?

True, I am more of a road racer than drag, which is why I favor the M3 than the RS4. And yes, the RS4 is an impressive machine and has the adv on different weather cond. Anyways, yeah, they're coming out with 3 variants. An E92 coupe, and E90 sedan, and an E93 cabrio.

First of all, the dyno is a engine/crank number and it is in KW and nm instead of hp and lbtq.
Secondly, that is just the manufacturer numbers, there is no real dyno numbers yet.
Third, lets stick with the only number that we have 420hp/295tq (to the crank)

Sorry guys, I did not mean to sound cocky, smart or anything, I just want to put the fcat straight before it gets out of hand and we start to speculate.

Thanks for reading!

Carlos

You are damn right! a simple BMW 335i with a Vishnu Procede is putting average 390lb/tq to the rear wheel on a dynojet, that is about 115-120lb/tq more to the wheels than a new M-3 stock.

Horse power is another history though.

Carlos

It is not fake at all, it is real but it is just the manufacturer numbers to the crank. Please read my post number #19 for the explanation.

Thanks!

Carlos

I can't wait for the day when a new M3 takes on a Procede 335i, man what a shame it would be to see a Procede 335i take out a new M3. I believe the new M3 should make in the neighborhood of 350-360whp and 250-260wtq (maybe more) and a Procede 335i makes about 340-350whp and 380-390wtq.

modded 335I will be a better highway car

This car is built for a track, not for drag racing or straight-line speed.

Proceded 335is are generally running 12.7 and slower. A good driver in the new M3 will run faster than that.

Of course, once we see 335is with full turbo-back exhausts and tunes it'll be a different story. And then, of course, we'll see bigger turbos, too, but that'll put you up around the price of an M3 with less reliability and no warranty.

That's true. A 335i with a few options is easily $45k. With the money and time it would take to match an M3 around the track, you could have just bought the M3 and had a warranty.

Ya and shiit

... im still not convinced this is a "roadcourse" car. There is nothing else about it besides its super high reving engine thats says "road course". What % of the buyers they have targeted with this uber over the top luxury in a supposed performance model will ever take it to a road course. Considering they geared everything else for this type of consumer, and then put in a enthusiast engine that while an amazing piece of machinery.. should have been implanted into the z4 M coupe instead or something else that didnt weigh 3500lbs. The new M3 is completely contradictory. The high reving motor is also not gonna help it from getting a oblierated by the similiar priced CTS-V which comes with a 100K / 5 year warranty. Everyone has to admit, our domestic companies have actually been bringing out the goods recently while no one else can keep up.

Carlos,, get your 335 yet?

I see you over on the bimmer forums.

I would guess there is little cross-shopping between the M3 and the CTS-V. I have never seen a single CTS-V on the road in California and yet I see an M3 every time I go outside and numerous exotics every week.

This car should be decently fast but I hate seeing engines like this that reach peak hp so high up. For instance evos can make their peak hp around 6000rpms or so to 7000...so when you hit the throttle you are immediately in the powerband but with the m3 you have to shift at 8500rpms and then let it drops to say 6500-7000rpms and you have to bulid power again. Which car will be faster- a motor that generates lets say 360whp from 5800-7000rpms or a motor that makes 330whp at 7000rpms and 360 at 8500rpms. The area under the curve is totally different and these types of cars will only have the acceleration they claim to have for a split second when the motor reaches peak power. The car is beautiful I just felt like complaining about the power curve it has(so far) lol.