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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 02:10 PM
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I would guess there is little cross-shopping between the M3 and the CTS-V. I have never seen a single CTS-V on the road in California and yet I see an M3 every time I go outside and numerous exotics every week.
I have seen about 6 CTS-Vs in norther california as well as the the entire CTS-V race team at laguna seca.

One of the things that made older m3s famous was the great bang for your buck.. the CTS-V is currently the car giving you the most for your money in this segment... I had looked into purchashing one but the older models were a little too low key. You have probably seen the ls6 version and never noticed it was a V.. the next model will share monster fender flairs and super wide tires to keep it planted... the base model looks amazing! I feel its much better looking then the 3 series.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 03:26 PM
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Check out the CTS-V/Audi RS4 comparison on Cadillac's wesite: http://www.cadillac.com/comparator/c...ctsv&year=2007


The CTS-V has more standard features, better safety equipment AND it's $15,000 cheaper. Granted, the Audi uses better interior materials, but you are definately paying alot for it.

The new CTS interior is as good or better than anything on the market.

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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 03:45 PM
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the new cts-v is going to be close to 70K though lol.. but it does have an LS7! wohoooo! but at least your getting 70K perfomance instead of evo performance for 40K more.

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Check out the CTS-V/Audi RS4 comparison on Cadillac's wesite: http://www.cadillac.com/comparator/c...ctsv&year=2007


The CTS-V has more standard features, better safety equipment AND it's $15,000 cheaper. Granted, the Audi uses better interior materials, but you are definately paying alot for it.

The new CTS interior is as good or better than anything on the market.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 04:26 PM
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the new cts-v is going to be close to 70K though lol.. but it does have an LS7! wohoooo! but at least your getting 70K perfomance instead of evo performance for 40K more.
I've read they may use a DOHC S/C engine for the CTS-V (520-530hp) - the new Northstar replacement.

I'm thinking under $60k considering the regular V6 CTS is suppose to be less than $5k higher than the current model.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 04:54 PM
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Not sure if you guys noticed... but this thing makes 90%+ of it's torque from 3k-7.5k rpms. THAT is a very flat torque curve for more than 50% of the rev range. Plus, at redline, it's still making 85% of peak torque. That motor should be very easy to drive on a road course.

I don't doubt that the 335 will make a better 'highway' car, but it's lacks things like a LSD and carbon fiber roof that the M3 will have, among other go-fast/turn-fast goodies.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by E. Haskell
I've read they may use a DOHC S/C engine for the CTS-V (520-530hp) - the new Northstar replacement.

I'm thinking under $60k considering the regular V6 CTS is suppose to be less than $5k higher than the current model.

I have heard the rumor of that DOHC engine too... but its been completely de mythed for the most part. GM isnt going to spend the money to design a second race engine for the CTS-V.. Cadillac racing needs the LS7 race variant in their cadillac race cars. Plus in the videos, its cleraly the sound of a push rod v8, and the engine fits with no issue so why even mess around?... however the next generation LS engines may be DOHC.... not that they really need it.

Not sure if you guys noticed... but this thing makes 90%+ of it's torque from 3k-7.5k rpms. THAT is a very flat torque curve for more than 50% of the rev range. Plus, at redline, it's still making 85% of peak torque. That motor should be very easy to drive on a road course.
yeah but.. that doesnt help the fact that 290ft/lbs of tq is not going move a 3500lbs car worth a damn... a bolt on ls2 isnt making below 310ft/lbs at the wheels at any point during the rev range. Maybe they were trying to make it easier to drive by making the car slow?

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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 11:06 AM
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lol less chance of owners speeding
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 11:08 AM
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And the next CTS-V will blow them all away (500+hp). Heck, the current CTS-V will likely run with the new M3 and RS4.
cadillac's blow.

who drives those?
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 12:51 PM
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P-diddy and a bunch of other influential rappers. The CTS was also voted the number 1# most sexy car for a diplomat.

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cadillac's blow.

who drives those?
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 12:54 PM
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He has a point, though.

Cadillac has a ways to go before the average enthuisiast will associate it with performance.

Also, for those of us under 60, most won't be caught dead in a Caddy. I don't care what rapper has the car.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 01:00 PM
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I agree.. but they are working on changing this brand image.. it seems to be a 2 step forward, 1 step back approach though lol. It was great seeing the cadillac racing team... take a look at them on the track and suddenly your thinking, wow these guys are actually serious. You have a car like cts-v that kicks ***.. then you have that ugly suv wagon thing that is the damn ugliest car I have ever seen.. almost worse then the pontiac aztec. Your not gonna convince the public that you have turned the corner if you have a relapse of retardness every other model year!

The low key nature is def. why you have probably never noticed a v series... but if the ls7 if going under the hood, what will you do when the insane sounding cadillac blows by? The m3 owner is going to be able to hear his high pitched whinny v8 over 7.0 liter monster. If anything its the ultimate sleeper... especially debaged! Do headers and intake and that car should easily out pull on a lambo.

That is the one other thing... If you care about sound, well im not telling anybody anything they dont know if they have been to a lemans race, but the modified LS engines sound amazing.. any doubt the c6r is the best sounding car on the track? ...modded m3s sound like a Chihuahuas getting chainsawed.

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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 01:32 PM
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Do headers and intake and that car should easily out pull on a lambo.
Man, that's an awfully big jump from beating the wheels off an M3. Don't you think that a car with such power already has a pretty free flowing exhaust and intake system? I know there is always room for improvement, but short of a cat delete I doubt there is much power to gain from the exhaust side.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 02:11 PM
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The New M3 will be a monster even at stock. Maybe not as fast as my IX, but a monster never the less .
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 03:08 PM
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I agree that it's the ultimate sleeper. I've definitely seen a V car before, I just can't remember the last time I saw one around here.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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no not at all the ls7 is very very far from being even remotely exploited in stock form.. the M3 already have a very high tech exhaust with mid length headers on the car already which will make getting more power out of the engine near impossible.. the ls2 and ls7 have cast / stubby headers that merge together right near the engine.. the stock z06 already pulls hard on a lambo.. they make 450whp and car weighs 3100lbs... the caddy will weigh more, but like I said, adding long tubes significantly opens the engine up and increases tq by insane levels. Tuning + intake + LT headers on the current LS7 will produce 500whp... thats not even messing around with cams, just a couple bolt ons, add drivetrain loss back in for comparison and your CTS-V is making 580bhp ( or well in to the mid 600s with a cam)...that is more then enough to stomp a lambo in a straight line regarless of weight.

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Man, that's an awfully big jump from beating the wheels off an M3. Don't you think that a car with such power already has a pretty free flowing exhaust and intake system? I know there is always room for improvement, but short of a cat delete I doubt there is much power to gain from the exhaust side.
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