So you thought you knew about chassis design?
So you thought you knew about chassis design?

A pretty interesting s2000 build:
After watching GT5 guru Kazunori Yamauchi talk about his incredible S2000 - built by Opera Performance....
http://onlinetating.com/?p=15
Absolutely the worst build I have ever seen on a car ever. The person who did all that work should be fired. Why? well if the person who actually was building it knew about chassis design he would know that you can't spot weld everything the way they did its not a very safe practice and someone is going to end up in a body bag. The welds used are too cold and don't get root penetration of the metal. This means that the frame is very weak at every single weld and I am sure there is a ton of IF (incomplete fusion) throughout the chassis.
Proper Frame Technique (or similar style)

Also, regardless the way they did the doors was pretty dumb if you ask me regardless of how bad they are at knowing how to build a car.
Proper Frame Technique (or similar style)

Also, regardless the way they did the doors was pretty dumb if you ask me regardless of how bad they are at knowing how to build a car.
Last edited by Fishey; Feb 20, 2008 at 05:03 PM.
Absolutely the worst build I have ever seen on a car ever. The person who did all that work should be fired. Why? well if the person who actually was building it knew about chassis design he would know that you can't spot weld everything the way they did its not a very safe practice and someone is going to end up in a body bag. The welds used are too cold and don't get root penetration of the metal. This means that the frame is very weak at every single weld and I am sure there is a ton of IF (incomplete fusion) throughout the chassis.
Proper Frame Technique (or similar style)

Also, regardless the way they did the doors was pretty dumb if you ask me regardless of how bad they are at knowing how to build a car.
Proper Frame Technique (or similar style)

Also, regardless the way they did the doors was pretty dumb if you ask me regardless of how bad they are at knowing how to build a car.
lets see yours
Does not matter who they are thats horrible execution of a stitch weld but if you look at it its not just a seem weld but some areas have been removed then welded back in with tacks.... Honestly, if you think thats good work you need to learn something about safety, flex and racing.
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Does not matter who they are thats horrible execution of a stitch weld but if you look at it its not just a seem weld but some areas have been removed then welded back in with tacks.... Honestly, if you think thats good work you need to learn something about safety, flex and racing.
I'll have you work on my car next time I want to add a hundred + pounds of welds so my car will need 80+ more hp to go around a track as fast as a stock car.
Actually, I think we need to install a solid iron bar roll cage too while I have everything out of the car. That way I am sure to keep the car on the ground at speed.
Looking through the pictures, the welding strikes me as good, maybe not great, but certainly passable for a track car. The tack welds are mostly in low stress areas, or in later pictures have been properly stitched. The bulk of the welding looks to be pretty thorough. Punching out the holes in the door is a time consuming way of doing it, but it keeps the general shape and structure of the original part. They won't survive an impact, but that's what the roll cage is for.
Maybe you should build up a muti-million dollar company off of your amazing talents in chassis building and frame strengthening. Opera perfomance has been building cars for a long time. I would imagine they would have gone out of business by now if they had poor build quality.
I'll have you work on my car next time I want to add a hundred + pounds of welds so my car will need 80+ more hp to go around a track as fast as a stock car.
Actually, I think we need to install a solid iron bar roll cage too while I have everything out of the car. That way I am sure to keep the car on the ground at speed.
I'll have you work on my car next time I want to add a hundred + pounds of welds so my car will need 80+ more hp to go around a track as fast as a stock car.
Actually, I think we need to install a solid iron bar roll cage too while I have everything out of the car. That way I am sure to keep the car on the ground at speed.

I like the doors on this particular car for racing better but maybe there was a reason for keeping the inner parts of the door.
Maybe you should build up a muti-million dollar company off of your amazing talents in chassis building and frame strengthening. Opera perfomance has been building cars for a long time. I would imagine they would have gone out of business by now if they had poor build quality.
this guy has no idea what hes talking just another guy sucking up. they have lots of money so they MUST KNOW WHATS GOOD.
You do know most of what was welded was just "Stitch welding" right? The pictures I posted are from a very good rally program here in the U.S. Regardless, the parts that have me concerned are the parts that are welded in like the front braces around the wheel well. You should spend some time learning about welding as well just because someone does something that is well known doesn't make it right. The welds they placed on most of the frame are pretty worthless. I really don't understand the doors because from what I understand about S2000 frames they don't have any structural importance.

I like the doors on this particular car for racing better but maybe there was a reason for keeping the inner parts of the door.

I like the doors on this particular car for racing better but maybe there was a reason for keeping the inner parts of the door.
i like that door also. i see what your talking about these people have no experience with actually building cars thats why they are attacking you. they figure since that company is well known that they "HaVE" to know what they are talking about.
its nice when people look beyond the box and actually think for themselfs.
BTW, my jaw still dropped when i saw the build and what they did to the s2000, and boy would i love to have it. but i want it for the wrong reasons. i would be the guy bringing it to the track telling everyone how its stock, and whooping everyones butt!
"GO AHEAD LOOK AT IT, see its stock" but little do they know it would be only 1400lbs(guesstimate i dont know how much it weighs), not 2800(stockish). lol
"GO AHEAD LOOK AT IT, see its stock" but little do they know it would be only 1400lbs(guesstimate i dont know how much it weighs), not 2800(stockish). lol
You do know most of what was welded was just "Stitch welding" right? The pictures I posted are from a very good rally program here in the U.S. Regardless, the parts that have me concerned are the parts that are welded in like the front braces around the wheel well. You should spend some time learning about welding as well just because someone does something that is well known doesn't make it right. The welds they placed on most of the frame are pretty worthless. I really don't understand the doors because from what I understand about S2000 frames they don't have any structural importance.

I like the doors on this particular car for racing better but maybe there was a reason for keeping the inner parts of the door.

I like the doors on this particular car for racing better but maybe there was a reason for keeping the inner parts of the door.
I'm also not defending the work since I have no reason to, but it is 100% impossible to accurately judge the strength of a weld by looking at it.
well i did some research and it seems that this was all done the way its done to make it lighter and in fact STRONGER.
http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?p=1537747
heres a qoute
the car weighs around ~2000lbs. signficantly stiffer than the factory body.
all structural pieces that had circles cut in it, aren't flimsy. the circles drilled were chamfered (sp?). I may not be describing it properly but push the edges of the circles out. So it looks embossed. Doing that help keep the ridgidty, but keep the weight off as well.
the non essential body panels were drilled to save weight and not chamfered.
http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?p=1537747
heres a qoute
the car weighs around ~2000lbs. signficantly stiffer than the factory body.
all structural pieces that had circles cut in it, aren't flimsy. the circles drilled were chamfered (sp?). I may not be describing it properly but push the edges of the circles out. So it looks embossed. Doing that help keep the ridgidty, but keep the weight off as well.
the non essential body panels were drilled to save weight and not chamfered.
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