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Mar 30, 2009 | 07:37 AM

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You're looking like a desperate EVO defender.

Its not desperate. Some guy posts that the SS has beaten the Evo around "many" famous tracks. I understand "many" to mean more then one. Proof was asked for. I've not heard of more then one and I didn't buy my Evo to leave it stock, Nsomniacs response sounds valid and far from desperate to me.

Mar 30, 2009 | 08:04 AM

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As the other guy mentioned, the SS and X were virtually tied in Motor Trend testing at Leguna Seca. With one test, I can believe their may have been a fluke. With 2 test showing the same the thing, I'm less likely to believe it. Furthermore, with the whippings the SS has put on other compacts, my believe that it's the real deal and fully capable of running with the X is practically cemented.

Discussing non-stock performance is virtually pointless considering the intentions and price points of both cars. The ceiling of C6 Corvette performance is higher than the X, but that doesn't take anything away from the X. Granted, if discussing the obvious brings enjoyment, I can see how one may find it entertaining.

Mar 30, 2009 | 08:08 AM

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Okay, now we have a new term. "Virtually tied".

So "virtually tied" + one = many victories. Whatever man, have it your way.

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The ceiling of C6 Corvette performance is higher than the X.

Is it really? What is the performance ceiling of the X?

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Mar 30, 2009 | 08:35 AM

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Okay, now we have a new term. "Virtually tied".

So "virtually tied" + one = many victories. Whatever man, have it your way.

It's not getting through their heads. I can sit there and praise the SS multiple times in every post for how great it is in stock form, and somehow I'm a desperate evo defender. As I've said before, the SS is not as capable a car in ANY form as the evo. It's slower to 60, slower in the 1/4, slower in autocross, almost equal on the track, and it's tuning limits are reached FAR SOONER than the evo. I'm not defending the evo, I'm pointing out that statements such as "If you want X performance, but you only want to spent $21k or so, the SS is an option" are grossly inaccurate and misleading.

Oh and one more thing: "Discussing non-stock performance is virtually pointless considering the intentions and price points of both cars"

Huh? Both cars are tuner cars. Discussing their potential with aftermarket options is certainly relevant. In fact, I'm baffled as to why anyone even talks about X stock performance, like I said before, it's so rich it runs like crap from the factory. That's why you're seeing 60+ whp from just a tune.

Mar 30, 2009 | 08:38 AM

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I believe GM now has a kit out that bumps the power to ~290hp/330lb ft. It's only ~$500 and it doesn't void the warranty. Looking at how fast the SS was in C&D's lightning lap, I can't imagine how crazy it would be with all that extra power.

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Discussing non-stock performance is virtually pointless considering the intentions and price points of both cars.

Hypocrite.

Mar 30, 2009 | 08:51 AM

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Okay, now we have a new term. "Virtually tied".

So "virtually tied" + one = many victories. Whatever man, have it your way.

Now you want to discuss semantics? If two cars are separated by a tenth or so, I would say the difference in timing is a wash - the gap isn't wide enough to consider one "faster" than the other.

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Is it really? What is the performance ceiling of the X?

Who knows. Use any two cars you desire. Is the performance ceiling on a Porsche GT2 higher than the X? The answer seems pretty obvious. With more expensive performance cars, you usually get a better base to begin performance modifications.

Mar 30, 2009 | 09:05 AM

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As I've said before, the SS is not as capable a car in ANY form as the evo.

But no one has even tried to argue that.

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"If you want X performance, but you only want to spent $21k or so, the SS is an option" are grossly inaccurate and misleading.

How is it inaccurate? Of course you aren't going to get a carbon copy of a $35k car for $21k. That is obvious. However, as the few test who have compared the cars pointed out, the SS is capable of holding its own against the X - something most other FWD compacts can't do in any situation. As far as 0-60 and 1/4, the X is superior. There is no making up for AWD traction off the line. However, the trap speeds are about the same, so in most day-to-day driving, the SS's acceleration should feel about the same.

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Huh? Both cars are tuner cars. Discussing their potential with aftermarket options is certainly relevant.

With aftermarket options, all bets are off. Hell, put the $10k difference in price into the SS and you'll likely blow the doors off an X. Granted, I don't think that the purpose of the SS. The SS is made for those that don't want to spend $35k on a performance car. It offers incredible performance and good gas mileage with a low price tag - that is its purpose.

Mar 30, 2009 | 09:10 AM

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Hypocrite.

Umm, the performance package is sold by and installed by GM. It's also covered under the warranty. The package is also something like $500 so it doesn't disrupt the cars purpose or low price point.

Try again.

Mar 30, 2009 | 09:45 AM

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I signed up for the SS forum lol

Mar 30, 2009 | 10:06 AM

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It's still just a ****ing chevy.

Mar 30, 2009 | 10:57 AM

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Umm, the performance package is sold by and installed by GM. It's also covered under the warranty. The package is also something like $500 so it doesn't disrupt the cars purpose or low price point.

Can you provide a link or proof of this?

Mar 30, 2009 | 11:33 AM

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Can you provide a link or proof of this?

It is supposed to be legit, but I have not found any proof yet so who knows

SS forums are kinda lame so far, no responses on one and the other one I am still waiting for activation

Mar 30, 2009 | 01:01 PM

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Can you provide a link or proof of this?

Yes I can.

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GM announces Stage Kits for 2.0 Liter LNF Turbo Engine
Turbo Upgrade Kit for Solstice GXP, Sky Redline, HHR SS
(19212670) MSRP $750

The turbo upgrade kit for the Solstice GXP, Sky Redline, and HHR SS was designed by General Motors Performance Division Engineers to get the most power possible out of the 2.0 Liter LNF Turbo engine. This kit will take your vehicle from 260 hp and 260 ft-lbs to 290 hp and as much as 340 ft-lbs of torque. All this power and you will still retain the full factory warranty. This kit also provides emission standards that accommodate the legal criteria in all 50 states. This kit is a quick an easy install that will not affect the driveability of your vehicle in any way, but will have plenty of extra power and torque when called upon. Because of the different drivetrain combinations, there are several different calibrations with slightly different power outputs. The specifications are as follows:

• 2007 & 2008 Solstice/ Sky Manual 290 Hp @5200 rpm and 340 ft-lbs @3600
• 2007 & 2008 Solstice Auto 290 Hp @5200 rpm and 325 ft-lbs @3600
• 2008 HHR SS Manual and Auto 290 Hp @5200 rpm and 315 ft-lbs @4800

This kit includes the “No Lift Shift” feature for faster accelerations with manual transmissions.

This kit will also be available for the 2008-2009 Cobalt SS and the above 2009 Turbo vehicles in Q1 2009.

http://www.gmperformancedivision.com/news/

Mar 30, 2009 | 01:15 PM

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With all that's going on with GM and with them disbanding the High Performance Vehicle Team, it will be interesting to see if this sees the light of day.

However, it will still mean talking about a modded Cobalt which is still hypocritcal when people talk about modded Evos and it still doesn't mean the Cobalt SS has beaten the Evo X on "many" venues and comparos.

Nice Try.