The drivetrain is different, that has more of an effect on handling than the engine.

 

oh ok I thought it would basically just be wight distribution...

 

Hogwash.


Compromised design. The biggest problem is turbo plumbing. The exhaust side of the engine is on the bottom, and H design means they terminate in different areas. There is a ton of piping pre-turbo, and that hurts. Moreover, they have a crossover pipe to bring them together, making more lag (and that droning boxer rumble).

 

You're welcome to argue this point with AMS and Buschur.

 

Neither of whom have gone anywhere near as fast in a Subaru as they have in an Evo.

You're gonna have to do better than that. At least bring real tech into a debate instead of pointless conjecture. Concede defeat now before it gets worse. You don't get any awards for making the most posts if you can't prove a point.

 

And yet both have said that the Subaru offers huge potential that needs to be tapped. Sure they haven't gone as fast in a Subaru, yet but the engine is also newer compared to the 4G63. I'm sure you are more than capable in identifying the flaw in that argument.
I said I wouldn't be surprised, oh no, how dare I say such a thing . Jesus, I never realized that every statement had to be backed up with a full array of technical documents. It would be nice if we could have a conversation involving Subarus that didn't turn into a "lets jump on people" gong show that inevitably results in the thread being closed. You and I have both observed far worse comments in the Evo forums yet naturally no one is expected to provide a thesis to back up their opinions.

 

Um... I already said it was just designed by Getrag, who the **** cares if Porsche helped on the design or not, it's already a ****ing amazing transmission, shifts better than my Carrera did for sure. Whether a Porsche tech helped or not doesn't really matter.

 

I didn't quote you. I can't support or refute your Getrag claim. All I've seen led me to believe that Subaru builds their own transmissions, but this was on an 02 WRX 5 speed manual and an 05 STi 6 speed manual.

My point to Amby was why in the heck did he think a rear engine H6 Porsche engineer would consult on a front engine H4 Subaru transmission design? Because they are both boxer engines? Or someone said it on the internets? Lulz.

 

Because like a lot of companies, Porsche likes money and is more than willing to be paid to assist someone in designing a product. This isn't a preposterous idea, plenty of companies do it as it makes for good business.

 

.... a cooperation which SOA vehemently denies even if it will increase sales due to a "porsche-inspired tranny." which means it isn't true as linked several posts back.

 

And I fully admitted that it may not be true, I simply said I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually the case that Porsche assisted with the design, that's it, nothing more. I didn't say it was a fact, nor did I even say it was supported (in fact I said it would have to remain a myth or urban legend). Apparently this makes it blasphemous, god forbid that one comment be made that doesn't have an entire library of documents to support it. I'm willing to bet that this kind of statement wouldn't raise an eyebrow if it was made by an Evo owner about the Evo (and I'm sure everyone here has seen far more ludicrous things said on Evom). I forgot that Subaru is a dirty word around here .

 

I guess it would make Subie fans feel all warm and fuzzy inside if they believed the Porsche Gods reached down from the heavens and blessed their STis with knowledge and wisdom. However, there is no evidence to support that belief at all.

 

No, it would just be an interesting idea.

 

No it would be a marketing tool if it were true. You hear things like "Lotus tuned-suspension" because manufacturers want to extoll the virtues of a brand with lots of credibility in a certain area to help sell another car - and they pay to be able to say that. The fact that SOA denies it makes it an "interesting lie" they don't want to get sued over.

 

Or Porsche didn't want it to be stated or their contribution wasn't enough to be a good marketing point or it was an indirect activity, etc. It's simply a neat idea, that's it. Is it likely a myth? Sure. Funny how so much effort goes into this based on a very open-ended statement on my part yet no one has an issue with people spreading the false rumor that Subaru uses Mitsubishi turbos.