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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 09:46 AM
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Or Porsche didn't want it to be stated or their contribution wasn't enough to be a good marketing point or it was an indirect activity, etc.
Then show us proof of that. Until then, you got nuthin'. It's a lie.

no one has an issue with people spreading the false rumor that Subaru uses Mitsubishi turbos.
However, they did use Mitsu turbos in the past, go (and here's a crazy idea, I'm just going to through out) to the Subie forums and see for yourself.
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 09:50 AM
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Lack of proof is not a proof of lacking, that's a logical flaw. I fully admit it is likely untrue but I'm not going to completely dismiss it as a possibility either.
Sure they used them in the past but they haven't in some time. The 4G63 used to have issues with crank walk but I'm sure you're just as annoyed as I am when people on other forums talk as if it's a current problem for the Evo VIII and IX.
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 10:05 AM
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Lack of proof is not a proof of lacking, that's a logical flaw. I fully admit it is likely untrue but I'm not going to completely dismiss it as a possibility either.
Lawlz. It's possible that fairies and unicorns designed the STi's transmission, I admit it is likely untrue though.

Sure they used them in the past but they haven't in some time.
But they did, and it probably keeps Subie fanbois up at night. There are no Subaru/Fuji parts on any Mitsubishi I've ever owned.

The 4G63 used to have issues with crank walk but I'm sure you're just as annoyed as I am when people on other forums talk as if it's a current problem for the Evo VIII and IX.
No, what's annoying is when Subie trolls show up on Mitsu forums and spread lies and misinformation and claim they don't have to show proof because of some lame logic bite they heard on tv. I don't give a damn what Subie people say about Mitsus on Subie forums. They can cry and coddle each other all they want.

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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 10:14 AM
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There is this thing called logic and from a logical standpoint, a lack of proof is not proof of lacking. In fact, as far as science is concerned, you cannot prove anything, you can simply disprove the alternatives. At the moment, as I have said over and over again (which apparently goes unnoticed), it is likely that it's just a myth, a rumor started a long time ago. However, given the lack of any definite "this is not true" evidence, it's impossible to dismiss it altogether. It's not unheard of for companies to consult on other projects.
Yes, people get physically sick to their stomach that a part made by a major company like Mitsubishi is on their car .
What's really annoying is when people continually play the troll card while at the same time personally targeting a single individual over and over again in thread after thread after thread.
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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have you two made out yet?
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah What's really annoying is when people continually play the troll card while at the same time personally targeting a single individual over and over again in thread after thread after thread.
Mmm, nope - no target. You post a lot. In this thread you've posted something that is false and are trying to pass it off as some sort of fact. You claim you are so logical and a wealth of knowledge so you will get no free pass from me or hundreds of others on this site.

Face it.

You've been called out, you were wrong, that's it.
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Yes, people get physically sick to their stomach that a part made by a major company like Mitsubishi is on their car .......
335 owners don't feel sick to their stomach or do they?
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GPTourer
Mmm, nope - no target. You post a lot. In this thread you've posted something that is false and are trying to pass it off as some sort of fact. You claim you are so logical and a wealth of knowledge so you will get no free pass from me or hundreds of others on this site.

Face it.

You've been called out, you were wrong, that's it.
Really now? You repeat the same ****ing pattern in every thread. You post nothing for the first few pages/days. You don't jump on things other people say, you clearly ignore them. Eventually you post something in response to me. If I post anything after that, you jump down my throat. You then proceed to make clear jabs at me personally and accuse me of saying things I'm not even saying as if that helps your cause. The thread is of course carried far off topic and is eventually closed or dies.
This all started because I said this
I really wouldn't be that surprised if Porsche consulted on the transmission design.
I said nothing about it being a fact, I simply said I wouldn't be surprised if it was possible, that's it. UT_Evo already indicated the Getrag link. Naturally because I didn't instantly say I've been wrong my whole life and kill myself, you have to keep going with this useless ****ing BS. Funny how you post right after I first said this and didn't bat an eye to it but a few days later (and after a mod decided to get involved), you man the guns and go after it.

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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 10:37 AM
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335 owners don't feel sick to their stomach or do they?
Maybe when they get their repair bill.
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:10 PM
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Wrong. This was your first statement on the subject:
Originally Posted by ambystom01
Doubtful considering the STI transmission was supposedly designed and built by Porsche.
We've come a long way from that to this:
I fully admit it is likely untrue but I'm not going to completely dismiss it as a possibility either.
From "supposedly designed and built" to maybe consulting on the design phase, but not enough to receive credit. Right. You were wrong, but you want us to believe maybe possibly you could be right, but you have no proof, but that's okay - but no its not. That won't cut it.
You don't jump on things other people say, you clearly ignore them.
No one else here is trying to pass a false off as a true.
Funny how you post right after I first said this and didn't bat an eye to it but a few days later (and after a mod decided to get involved), you man the guns and go after it.
A first I wasn't sure, I had heard about the Blitzen, but I decided to wait until I had more info. I'm not like you. I don't shoot my mouth off about something I don't have a clue about and then argue on for days about how even though I'm 100% wrong, I really could be right because its up to everyone else to provide more proof. I'm not scared of challenging you by myself.

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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GPTourer
Wrong. This was your first staetment on the subject. We've come a long way from that to this:



You were wrong, but you want us to believe maybe possibly you could be right, but you have no proof, but that's okay - but no its not. That won't cut it.



No one else here is trying to pass a false off as a true.

A first I wasn't sure myself, I had heard about the Blitzen, but I decided to wait until I had more info. I'm not like you. I don't shoot my mouth off about something I don't have a clue about and then argue on for days about how even though I'm 100% wrong, I really could be right because its up to everyone else to provide proof. I'm not scared of challenging you by myself.
Notice how I use the word "supposedly" as in "it's been said in the past but who knows whether it's actually true". I didn't say Porsche designed the transmission outright, I said that it was a possibility and it's something that has been discussed for years now with no definite answer one way or another.
Prove to me Porsche definitely did not assist with the transmission. You seem to be very quick to bash me for not having proof yet you yourself have none.
Once again, I said it was possible, I am not saying it is a definite fact.
The irony of your last statement is outstanding.
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:20 PM
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SOA said no. The end.
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:26 PM
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Wow so SOA said there is no link, I guess that ends that one . If you actually read the link I posted, you'll notice it's not clear because the statement made is itself unclear (or just a flatout lie on SOA's part).
Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:29 PM
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Although it is hilarious that the link you provided had the response from SOA in the first post and you accuse me of not reading your links, I didn't stop there. My fiance is a service writer at a Jag/Subaru dealer and I asked her to ask the Subie techs and they all said the trans in the Sti was made by Fuji.

Game over.

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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GPTourer
Although it is hilarious that the link you provided had the response from SOA in the first post and you accuse me of not reading your links, I didn't stop there. My fiance is a service writer at a Jag/Subaru dealer and I asked her to ask the Subie techs and they all said the trans in the Sti was made by Fuji.

Game over.
Actually read the thread, people go on to discuss that SOA message.
So some techs at Subaru know the inner workings and the origins of the parts they work on? Made by Fuji is fine but that doesn't mean it wasn't designed without outside assistance.



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